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Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#741 - 2014-08-31 16:49:51 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Demonfist wrote:

PLEX are the yardstick of the eve economy. when ganking takes a toll it's price will shift.


No it wont. PLEX demand has nothing to do with ganking at all.

you might want to compare it's prices with incidences of burn jita events and rethink your stance.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#742 - 2014-08-31 16:50:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Demonfist wrote:
you're costing someone else 700million at a cost to yourself of 10million. are you really not that bright or simply a troll?

Setting aside that your scenario is impossible, are you sure you want to use this unfamiliarity with the concept of “profit” as your argument?

Quote:
PLEX are the yardstick of the eve economy.
No, they really aren't. They're just a something players like to whine about. The yardstick for the EVE economy is the GPU.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#743 - 2014-08-31 16:50:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable.
Incorrect.

you're costing someone else 700million at a cost to yourself of 10million. are you really not that bright or simply a troll?


Show me a freighter that only took 10 mil to bring down.

show me the point you missed.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#744 - 2014-08-31 16:51:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
you're costing someone else 700million at a cost to yourself of 10million. are you really not that bright or simply a troll?

Setting aside that your scenario is impossible, are you sure you want to use this unfamiliarity with the concept of “profit” as your argument?

Quote:
PLEX are the yardstick of the eve economy.
No, they really aren't. They're just a something players like to whine about. The yardstick for the EVE economy is the GPU.

in eve pvp costing the other guy more IS profit.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#745 - 2014-08-31 16:51:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Demonfist wrote:
this assumes that you need to take any of the contents of the ship in order for killing it to be worthwhile, which isn't how things are in eve. costing the other person is also a motivation.
You said nothing about it being worthwhile, you specifically used the word "profitable".

The words profitable and worthwhile do not mean the same thing. One usually refers to fiscal reward, the other to the value of time.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#746 - 2014-08-31 16:52:03 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
show me the point you missed.
In other words: you can't. You know your argument has failed and now you're desperately grabbing for yet another red herring.

Quote:
in eve pvp costing the other guy more IS profit.
Incorrect.
Dave Stark
#747 - 2014-08-31 16:52:10 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later.


that might be true, if people had to transport a minimum of like 5bn isk of stuff per trip and were always profitable to gank.

unfortunately, that isn't the case and your argument falls flat on it's face.

using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable. see above post about costs being passed along.


remind me again how using anything, 10m or not, is profitable when a freighter is empty?

as much as i'd love to sit here and point out the hilarious flaws in every single post of yours, it gets boring when people keep making the same incorrect arguments over and over. surely you people should have come up with some new fantasies instead of repeating the same incorrect arguments in EVERY thread that you start whining in?
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#748 - 2014-08-31 16:53:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Demonfist
Dave Stark wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
you don't understand how supply and demand works, obviously. so here i'll explain it. when it takes more effort for people to start transporting stuff, less people will. when less people do, less stuff is available. when less stuff is available, the price goes up, because there aren't less people wanting it. if you want to force people to bring support fleets to make the economy work that's fine and dandy, just don't ***** about paying the price for your own mess later.


that might be true, if people had to transport a minimum of like 5bn isk of stuff per trip and were always profitable to gank.

unfortunately, that isn't the case and your argument falls flat on it's face.

using junk 10 mil isk ships to take down a freighter is never unprofitable. see above post about costs being passed along.


remind me again how using anything, 10m or not, is profitable when a freighter is empty?

as much as i'd love to sit here and point out the hilarious flaws in every single post of yours, it gets boring when people keep making the same incorrect arguments over and over. surely you people should have come up with some new fantasies instead of repeating the same incorrect arguments in EVERY thread that you start whining in?

because you're the one building replacement freighters. the guy that got sunk either has to pay you or stop his former trade.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#749 - 2014-08-31 16:55:59 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
because you're the one building replacement freighters.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.
Dave Stark
#750 - 2014-08-31 16:56:43 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
because you're the one building replacement freighters. the guy that got sunk either has to pay you or stop his former trade.


except you said taking down a freighter was profitable. not building freighters.
make up your mind.

are we talking about shooting freighters, or building them?
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#751 - 2014-08-31 16:57:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
because you're the one building replacement freighters.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#752 - 2014-08-31 16:58:15 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
because you're the one building replacement freighters. the guy that got sunk either has to pay you or stop his former trade.


except you said taking down a freighter was profitable. not building freighters.
make up your mind.

are we talking about shooting freighters, or building them?

connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Noobshot Elongur
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#753 - 2014-08-31 16:58:44 UTC
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.

I keep hearing that ccp wil be doing something about this. I've just had enough of it. Seriously I'm trying to find some fun in this game and seeing that the others always have the edge over miners and haulers in high sec is a real joke. I don't mind if it had happened in low sec and null but when your playing by ccp rules to me it seems there are no rules and high sec is really a joke.

At the very least give miners and haulers some big guns like you give others and maybe will balance things well.

The two that got me are "Luukje" and "Natural CloneKiller". I put up a big bounty on Luk so enjoy your hunting.

cheers



You could always try to learn to be a better pilot, skill up, build a ship that has more tank, and haul/mine with friends in a fleet.... Seriously you're coming off like a special snowflake that Activision/Blizzard likes to encourage in their crap-tastic MMO.
Dave Stark
#754 - 2014-08-31 17:00:01 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
because you're the one building replacement freighters. the guy that got sunk either has to pay you or stop his former trade.


except you said taking down a freighter was profitable. not building freighters.
make up your mind.

are we talking about shooting freighters, or building them?

connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai.


or, you could answer the question.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#755 - 2014-08-31 17:01:27 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

Quote:
connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

You lost the argument and you know. Inventing more and more nonsense to cover up for the previous nonsense makes it more nonsensical, not less, you know that, right?
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#756 - 2014-08-31 17:02:52 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

Quote:
connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

You lost the argument and you know. Inventing more and more nonsense to cover up for the previous nonsense makes it more nonsensical, not less, you know that, right?

i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#757 - 2014-08-31 17:05:01 UTC
Read the thread and loved it.

Falcon Punches 4TW. Cool

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#758 - 2014-08-31 17:05:12 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll

In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#759 - 2014-08-31 17:06:02 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
your english comprehension skills are too poor for me to continue discussion with you. have a nice day.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

Quote:
connect the dots and get back to me. kkthxbai.
In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

You lost the argument and you know. Inventing more and more nonsense to cover up for the previous nonsense makes it more nonsensical, not less, you know that, right?

i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll
Except that Tippia isn't trolling and now you've resorted to name calling as you know you were wrong.

Just stop posting.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#760 - 2014-08-31 17:06:26 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
i could never be as nonsensical as you, troll. Roll

In other words, the scenario you describe is unprofitable, and ganking is good for the economy.

you're so cute when you wish you knew what you were talking about and were right. Blink

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.