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High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection

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Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#701 - 2014-08-31 16:04:06 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
David Mandrake wrote:
Sentient Blade wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
I say fair play to him if he cuts a profit from someone who's half-assed a ship fitting and AFK hauled across space with a sizeable chunk of ISK in their hold.


I think you mean "Previously fitting-less freighters which get bumped away from gates and sentry guns by previously inconspicuous 100mn MWD plated macharials without ever getting aggression until you get alpha'd"

If people don't bother fitting tank, and AFK their cargo, I'm fine with them dying. What pisses me off is how you can still do everything right and you'll still die, because game mechanics are against you.


I haven't read through the rest of this thread yet, so maybe someone else has come up with this... but if you do everything right you have a webbing alt. If you've still gotten bumped, refit to a scram with a mobile depot (You can burn 50 away from the gate quick) and by the time you've done that, Freighter should be close to/out of range of the sentries. Set alt to orbit the Mach, safties off, web/scram and now it can't bump for awhile. Freighter can either warp off now, or at the very least CONCORD will show up and that'll mean at least one ganker will instadie (or they have to waste time to get CONCORD repositioned which you can use to try to escape again, etc). Sure your alt takes a sec hit and gets killrights but it takes little time to train a second alt and wait out the killright. Unless the Mach pilot engages the alt, in which case, no killright.

^ problem with that, they don't just bring one mach.


So pre spawn concord with an alt.

so you want me to pre-spawn concord in every system along a whole corridor where i'm going to be travelling with a freighter? that's your answer? you expect us to possibly break the EULA and get banned for littering the servers to mitigate your activities? and then you talk about risk versus reward with the next breath. you're amusing, guy. :]

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#702 - 2014-08-31 16:07:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Demonfist wrote:
i just hope code realizes they're harassing the industrial backbone of the game, stealing isk from the people that mass produce it.
They're not.
CODE mainly goes after people who mine AFK. Those people aren't producing any ISK and they're not the backbone of anything.

The industrial backbone of the game trivially avoids and evades such simplistic schemes as CODE and slurp up ISK by the bucket-load from those who produce it. Nothing of any real consequence is lost by CODE's presence.

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so you want me to pre-spawn concord in every system along a whole corridor where i'm going to be travelling with a freighter? that's your answer? you expect us to possibly break the EULA and get banned for littering the servers to mitigate your activities?
Who said anything of the kind? You just ruin the gank and make the bumping all for nought by ensuring that, should the shooting start, they won't have enough people on hand to actually do anything. No corridors needed; no EULA violations needed; just some common sense in your application of mechanics.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#703 - 2014-08-31 16:08:49 UTC
Demonfist wrote:

so you want me to pre-spawn concord in every system along a whole corridor where i'm going to be travelling with a freighter? that's your answer? you expect us to possibly break the EULA and get banned for littering the servers to mitigate your activities? and then you talk about risk versus reward with the next breath. you're amusing, guy. :]


Or just do it where the machs are because you aren't dumb?

Seriously, use your noggin. Half of these gankers can be shot on site.
Dave stark
#704 - 2014-08-31 16:12:20 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Seriously, use your noggin.


the frequent duplication of threads like this means that's never going to happen.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#705 - 2014-08-31 16:16:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Demonfist wrote:

so you want me to pre-spawn concord in every system along a whole corridor where i'm going to be travelling with a freighter? that's your answer? you expect us to possibly break the EULA and get banned for littering the servers to mitigate your activities? and then you talk about risk versus reward with the next breath. you're amusing, guy. :]


Or just do it where the machs are because you aren't dumb?

Seriously, use your noggin. Half of these gankers can be shot on site.

do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again. the net effect is a whole corridor of spawned concord and ccp getting miffed about server resources. of course if that's how they want us to respond because they won't act on it any other way, we can do that.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#706 - 2014-08-31 16:17:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Demonfist wrote:
do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again.
Ehm. Again, use your noggin'.
If they moved, you can just leave. If you do it as a scout, the way is now open for the hauler to fly straight through.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#707 - 2014-08-31 16:20:17 UTC
Demonfist wrote:

do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again. the net effect is a whole corridor of spawned concord and ccp getting miffed about server resources. of course if that's how they want us to respond because they won't act on it any other way, we can do that.


Putting aside your lack of understanding of concord mechanics lets do something else then.

Have a number of logi ships in tow of the freighter.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#708 - 2014-08-31 16:20:20 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again.
Ehm. Again, use your noggin'.
If they moved, you can just leave.

if they moved it isn't because they've stopped planning to do what they're planning to do. the only way to do that is deny them anywhere to do it completely. which, thankfully, ccp has provided a mechanic for.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#709 - 2014-08-31 16:21:21 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
if they moved it isn't because they've stopped planning to do what they're planning to do.
Who cares? They've been neutralised and can now be skipped over. Mission accomplished.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#710 - 2014-08-31 16:23:48 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Demonfist wrote:

do it where the machs are, they move. do it where they move, they move again. the net effect is a whole corridor of spawned concord and ccp getting miffed about server resources. of course if that's how they want us to respond because they won't act on it any other way, we can do that.


Putting aside your lack of understanding of concord mechanics lets do something else then.

Have a number of logi ships in tow of the freighter.

that might work if they hadn't shown a willingness to throw more than 2 dozen ships at targets at a time. the question is is that really what we want eve to evolve into? every freighter needing logi escorts to trump waves of gankers? is that the image you want new players to see around them daily? retention rates would be abysmal, even compared to how horrific they already are.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#711 - 2014-08-31 16:25:05 UTC
Demonfist wrote:

that might work if they hadn't shown a willingness to throw more than 2 dozen ships at targets at a time. the question is is that really what we want eve to evolve into? every freighter needing logi escorts to trump waves of gankers? is that the image you want new players to see around them daily? retention rates would be abysmal, even compared to how horrific they already are.


They attacked you with a fleet, so why is it so bad to have a fleet of your own for protection?
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#712 - 2014-08-31 16:26:00 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
if they moved it isn't because they've stopped planning to do what they're planning to do.
Who cares? They've been neutralised and can now be skipped over. Mission accomplished.

yes, and if after DT every day entire corridors of concord were spawned we'd have free reign to peacefully transport things for the whole day. i'm seeing that as good risk versus reward, myself.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#713 - 2014-08-31 16:27:21 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
yes, and if after DT every day entire corridors of concord were spawned we'd have free reign to peacefully transport things for the whole day.
That's exactly why it doesn't happen (nor would it actually work that way).
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#714 - 2014-08-31 16:27:35 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Demonfist wrote:

that might work if they hadn't shown a willingness to throw more than 2 dozen ships at targets at a time. the question is is that really what we want eve to evolve into? every freighter needing logi escorts to trump waves of gankers? is that the image you want new players to see around them daily? retention rates would be abysmal, even compared to how horrific they already are.


They attacked you with a fleet, so why is it so bad to have a fleet of your own for protection?

because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#715 - 2014-08-31 16:28:24 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?

So? That's not a prerequisite for forming a fleet for your own protection.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#716 - 2014-08-31 16:28:36 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
yes, and if after DT every day entire corridors of concord were spawned we'd have free reign to peacefully transport things for the whole day.
That's exactly why it doesn't happen (nor would it actually work that way).

so give us a choice of not changing that. because it could start happening. :]

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#717 - 2014-08-31 16:29:22 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Demonfist wrote:
because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?

So? That's not a prerequisite for forming a fleet for your own protection.

having people willing to join is.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#718 - 2014-08-31 16:29:54 UTC
Demonfist wrote:

because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?


Because you need 20,000 people to have 2-3 logi support youRoll
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#719 - 2014-08-31 16:30:57 UTC
Demonfist wrote:
having people willing to join is.
So that was a pretty nonsensical red herring then, and we're back at the original question: they attacked you with a fleet, so why is it so bad to have a fleet of your own for protection?
Demonfist
New Eden Capsuleer College
Higher Education
#720 - 2014-08-31 16:31:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Demonfist wrote:

because not every player of eve is a member of a 20,000 member alliance that can pull support out of it's rectum at a moments notice?


Because you need 20,000 people to have 2-3 logi support youRoll

when eve has 30,000 people online? yes. yes it does.

eBil Tycoon > we're more like megacapitalistic psychotic space cowboys with raging epeens and 3% real girls.