EVE General Discussion

response to criminal activity in highsec should not depend on using a scout or a webber.

Those may be helpful for avoiding death between the crime and the CONCORD response, but should not be required to trigger CONCORD acting as a "law enforcement agency."

That thread never addressed using bumping falsely imprison gank victims between successive ganks from the exact same gankers. That response was to AFK miners crying that Code bumped them off their asteroid, and required the to come press F1 more often than once an hour.

Yes, because in real life the criminals routinely blow away the police forces....*eyeroll*

Where, exactly do you find that qualification in their ruling?

Because it did not address this specific, and unusual, circumstance, which is currently being used by CODE and its allies.

Because it did not address this specific, and unusual, circumstance, which is currently being used by CODE and its allies. And is, as I have pointed out, inconsistent with CONCORD's function "as a law enforcement agency," and with the design of highsec.

Lord, why hasn't somebody shut down this thread by now? I've seen much more interesting and benign threads closed for less reason than the silly repetitiousness of this one, and there's already another thread about freighter ganking that's longer than War and Peace. If you don't like the mechanics of high sec as they exist then go and find another game; arguing like internet lawyers is not going to change the mechanics of the game, and CCP has made that so clear so many times that this takes pointlessness to a new low.

High sec ganking is a fact of life. Ship bumping is a fact of life. That is the way Eve works. It could not be more simple than that. You cannot argue those practices out of existence. The devs have said they will happily watch the game go down in flames before they will make any player entirely safe in high sec. What more do you need to know?

In other words, I can render my Freighter perfectly safe by shooting it with a noobship.

Why should someone shooting you make you suddenly incorporeal?

Again, Bumping is not a crime in New Eden. Remember, this is a legal system where vigilante retribution is legal, mass murder of non-capsuleers is either ignored or encouraged, etc.

I am fully in agreement with the post by CCP Falcon. CONCORD is supposed to be a police force, they clean up the mess and dispatch criminals, not prevent the crime from occurring in the first place. People need to learn to fit their ships properly, check intel channels, and use the cloak + mwd trick. Personally i think non-combat ships should have fewer ehp, and combat ships should have more ehp, to reflect their relative designs.

What does not make sense, and is clearly an exploit, and is wholly inconsistent with CONCORD being a police force, is the way gankers, and specifically CODE, use bumping ships to prevent gank targets from warping, and therefore allow the EXACT SAME gankers to target the EXACT SAME ship every 15 minutes, without CONCORD dealing with the bumpers. What police force, upon foiling an attempted murder, and hauling the attempted murderers off to jail, would then, at the scene of the crime, allow friends of the criminals to hold down the victim for the next 15 minutes, so that the criminals, now released from jail, could come and finish the job? What police force, upon foiling an attempted car theft, and hauling the perpetrators to jail, would allow friends of the criminals, to, at the crime scene, prevent the car from leaving, so exactly 15 minutes later the EXACT SAME criminals could come and steal the EXACT SAME car? How is this even conceivably reflective of the way a police force would respond? Please take action so that bumpers cant not unlawfully entrap (a crime in every jurisdiction!) gank targets between gank attempts (an action that is 100% equivalent to warp scrambling, and hence a criminal act).

It does not make it functionally impossible to warp. You can escape from bumping if you do it right, or you can avoid being bumped in the first place by using a scout/web alt/friend.

Speaking of web alts, it's almost silly how safe you can actually make yourself in high sec if you take the necessary steps. It feels unfair that I can warp my freighter off in less time than it will probably take to lock it, and even if someone does lock it and manage to shoot/scramble it, my web alt will just jam them anyway and the freighter warps out before any bumper can even reach it.

Game mechanics are hard when you don't understand them. I've gotten out of every bumping my freighter has ever been subjected to. Bad bumpers? Maybe, but even in your example of optimally fit/skilled Machariel pilots bumping with such precision and consistency that they do, in fact, make it impossible to warp out to any fleet member or celestial, then I my response would be to say bravo to their handiwork, not punish them for it.

If you can't get a single friend or alt to come help you out after a failed gank, if you can't find a single person from the anti-ganking channel to come and bring some ECM to save your ship from the next round of ganking, how is that CCP's problem to fix?

I could respond, but I will let CCP Falcon respond for me:

CONCORD offer a level of deterrent just the same as any law enforcement agency, but as with any police for they're reactive and punitive rather than proactive.

He's using a analogy in order to express himself in a way that is easier to understand, Veers.

It's your decision to crank that analogy to eleven and assume that he means CONCORD IS THE SAME AS YOUR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT 100% OF THE WAY and that ALL LAWS (Such as false imprisonment, my god dude, where were you going with that?) that your local police enforce must also be enforced by Concord.

You're smarter then that, Veers. Also, you ignored the simple fact that bumping is a valid and supported game mechanic, and that your comments probably belong in features and ideas discussion - as you are proposing changes to game mechanics at this time.