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High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#41 - 2014-08-27 14:13:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
High Sec Hauling/Mining Kills - TY CCP for No Protection
Highsec doesn't provide protection, that is your responsibility, it provides punishment; both for the gankers, and the feckless.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-08-27 14:18:30 UTC

Woah Jonah.. new avatar Shocked


Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#43 - 2014-08-27 14:18:35 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
the feckless.


I need all my feck

In fact, it could be said

I don't have a single feck to give

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Sequester Risalo
German Corps of Engineers 17
Federation of Respect Honor Passion Alliance.
#44 - 2014-08-27 14:19:42 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
How about this; create some insta-undocks - problem solved.


Misunderstood Genius wrote:
You can get around this with
- an insta-undock off-grid (especially in the major trading hub systems)
- using a cloaky Blockade Runner



If you (and some others) had bothered to actually read the thread before posting your valued opinion, you would have noticed that the lady did in fact fly a blockade runner and was in the process of docking when the incident happened. Please explain how insta-undocking would have helped in that situation.

Thank you
Velicitia
XS Tech
#45 - 2014-08-27 14:23:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
How about this; create some insta-undocks - problem solved.


Misunderstood Genius wrote:
You can get around this with
- an insta-undock off-grid (especially in the major trading hub systems)
- using a cloaky Blockade Runner



If you (and some others) had bothered to actually read the thread before posting your valued opinion, you would have noticed that the lady did in fact fly a blockade runner and was in the process of docking when the incident happened. Please explain how insta-undocking would have helped in that situation.

Thank you


wouldn't ... but better WTZ bookmarks on the station would have ...

edit -- saved my ass one time against a WT who was waiting near a (HORRIBLE dock-radius station).

WTZ BM -> dock

Local Chat:
[WT] -- o_O I have NEVER seen anyone do that (implied [in hisec]) before
me -- yeah, you pick up a few things from time to time. Sorry I didn't make myself a target for you Smile
(continue conversation about random things)

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Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-08-27 14:23:32 UTC
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
Last night my hauling ship got blown sky high. I was flying a prorator and doing some deliveries. The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract. I wont go into detail here. As i was making the delivery and just 1 second from being docked into station my ship got blown sky high. From what ? a minmitar Battleship that was so many km's away. It took 2 people to stop me.



You're a hauler and you don't have a warp to 0 BM pre-scouted on your target station?

The BM creation takes less than a minute for an alt in a rookie ship.

For shame.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Vyl Vit
#47 - 2014-08-27 14:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vyl Vit
Now you've done it. You've pinched the ganker's central nerve. They operate on a single nerve system with a four synapse neural pathway, then insist their knowledge is the only knowledge that exists. You'll get no more reason as a response to your post than you got with the contractual system.

By now I guess you found the "too good to be true" contract, which permeates the game. There's so many of them it's hard to find a legitimate delivery contract, and anyone wishing to create one of those has to deal with the fact they're pissing into an ocean of scams, and have a very long wait ahead of them.

Contracts with one jump into low sec (0.4 or below) are designed to lure the hauler into a trap, kill the freighter, and invalidate the contract so the hauler loses the deposit money. If you haul don't accept contracts with one stop in low sec. That gate is where the trap will be. (I'm not sure what the circumstance was for the OP's ambush as that wasn't made abundantly clear.)

However, what is being said about high sec is quite an honest reaction. So vilification of the OP for it can only be done by those who like to do this sort of thing - our beloved gankers (read: low attention span, low intelligence, no insight, no way to make long-term plans or arrangements.)

We have clamored for CCP to make such acts of vandalism in high sec costly to the offender, to no avail. It's as though they think the majority of players do this sort of thing, which is insulting to the player base, but there's no way anyone can stop CCP staff from forming idiotic and ill-conceived opinions.

The best you can do is contort yourself to accommodate this endorsed sociopathy which makes a joke of "sovereignty" as a concept. One wonders why CCP wastes bandwidth putting that word on everything, when it means nothing here. It reminds me of LOTRO putting "cow" over every cow. Like...uh...no one can tell that's a cow. Then getting lag due to all the data....you see what I mean.

The interesting part is reading the "logical" rationalizations and justifications the sufferers of this mental disorder, and their co-dependents try to use. While they do this they try to seem SO very intelligent. Reminds me of watching a monkey play with a wad of bubble gum I threw him at the Birmingham Zoo. He was occupied with that for two hours - grape.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.
TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2014-08-27 14:34:50 UTC  |  Edited by: TheButcherPete
Haven't you learned anything from Red Frog's example? NEVER haul with the character you accepted the contract with.

btw the collateral the OP had to pay was like 7b, apparently.

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#49 - 2014-08-27 14:34:52 UTC
The tears are strong in this one.

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Victor Andall
#50 - 2014-08-27 14:38:45 UTC
Duchess Amarrian wrote:
The person that shot me down organised it really well by setting up contracts and sucking in the person accepting the contract.


Sounds to me like you already know whose fault it was.

I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?

19.08.2014 - Dinsdale gets slammed by CCP Falcon. Never forget.
BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
#51 - 2014-08-27 14:40:42 UTC
Congratulations Duchess Amarrian!!!!!

The first prize you have 'won' is having your rant featured on DJ Auger's 'Rage Quit Theatre' (Eve Radio), as I can't see him passing this one up.

The second prize (and most important) you have 'won' is a killmail in your name via The Devil's Warrior Alliance 'Killing It Forward' program!

That's right Duchess Amarrian, some poor carebear is going to 'thank you' for being ganked.

Mine smart. Mine safe. Purchase your mining permit today...... www.minerbumping.com
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2014-08-27 14:42:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Vyl Vit wrote:
You'll get no more reason as a response to your post than you got with the contractual system.


Especially when she refuses to give any idea of the details of what actually happened

Vyl Vit wrote:
By now I guess you found the "too good to be true" contract, which permeates the game.

You guess? As opposed to the the fact the OP is about such a contract

Vyl Vit wrote:
(I'm not sure what the circumstance was for the OP's ambush as that wasn't made abundantly clear.)

But you already know she didn't deserve it and her attackers must be "sociopaths" and sufferers of "mental disorders"

Vyl Vit wrote:
The interesting part is reading the "logical" rationalizations and justifications the sufferers of this mental disorder, and their co-dependents try to use. While they do this they try to seem SO very intelligent. Reminds me of watching a monkey play with a wad of bubble gum I threw him at the Birmingham Zoo. He was occupied with that for two hours - grape.


Whereas simply insulting people because you don't like them is such a sign of high-intent and sensible logical thought.

Go you, I'm sure you are a credit to your creed.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#53 - 2014-08-27 14:50:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sibyyl wrote:

Woah Jonah.. new avatar Shocked
My hobby of slaverhound training resulted in the loss of an arm, and blood all over my Quafe t-shirt.

So new vest, and an arm; notice the red highlights, they mean that I can now shitpost 22% faster than I could with an arm made of meat.

Same facial expression though, because my fedo just crapped on the sofa, luckily I'm currently docked in an Amarr station Twisted

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RomeStar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2014-08-27 14:51:26 UTC
Hyperspatial Rigs WTF I don't even know what to say about this.

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Charax Bouclier
Silvershield Universal
#55 - 2014-08-27 14:55:14 UTC
It looks like the thread generated some learning tips for the OP so it's not a total loss. Factor this in as a cost of doing business.
Neckbeard Nolyfe
Zero Fun Allowed
xqtywiznalamywmodxfhhopawzpqyjdwrpeptuaenabjawdzku
#56 - 2014-08-27 15:05:53 UTC
xd1
xd2
xd3
xd4

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Luukje
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#57 - 2014-08-27 15:08:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Luukje
Vyl Vit wrote:

However, what is being said about high sec is quite an honest reaction. So vilification of the OP for it can only be done by those who like to do this sort of thing - our beloved gankers (read: low attention span, low intelligence, no insight, no way to make long-term plans or arrangements.)


*puts down popcorn*
http://i.imgur.com/0Ox7Jet.jpg

Ur post amuses me; as do a lot of others in this thread. You're so far off the truth its actually creating tears of laughter.

Anyways, i'm happy to help you guys learn a few new things; see me as an educator, not a ganking e-bully. For i spread wisdom throughout eve at a small cost; in this case 7.09 billion worth of collateral. (lol)


Again, thanks allot duchess for using my service. happy hunting o7
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#58 - 2014-08-27 15:09:55 UTC
Vyl Vit wrote:
Now you've done it. You've pinched the ganker's central nerve. They operate on a single nerve system with a four synapse neural pathway, then insist their knowledge is the only knowledge that exists. You'll get no more reason as a response to your post than you got with the contractual system.

By now I guess you found the "too good to be true" contract, which permeates the game. There's so many of them it's hard to find a legitimate delivery contract, and anyone wishing to create one of those has to deal with the fact they're pissing into an ocean of scams, and have a very long wait ahead of them.

Contracts with one jump into low sec (0.4 or below) are designed to lure the hauler into a trap, kill the freighter, and invalidate the contract so the hauler loses the deposit money. If you haul don't accept contracts with one stop in low sec. That gate is where the trap will be. (I'm not sure what the circumstance was for the OP's ambush as that wasn't made abundantly clear.)

However, what is being said about high sec is quite an honest reaction. So vilification of the OP for it can only be done by those who like to do this sort of thing - our beloved gankers (read: low attention span, low intelligence, no insight, no way to make long-term plans or arrangements.)

We have clamored for CCP to make such acts of vandalism in high sec costly to the offender, to no avail. It's as though they think the majority of players do this sort of thing, which is insulting to the player base, but there's no way anyone can stop CCP staff from forming idiotic and ill-conceived opinions.

The best you can do is contort yourself to accommodate this endorsed sociopathy which makes a joke of "sovereignty" as a concept. One wonders why CCP wastes bandwidth putting that word on everything, when it means nothing here. It reminds me of LOTRO putting "cow" over every cow. Like...uh...no one can tell that's a cow. Then getting lag due to all the data....you see what I mean.

The interesting part is reading the "logical" rationalizations and justifications the sufferers of this mental disorder, and their co-dependents try to use. While they do this they try to seem SO very intelligent. Reminds me of watching a monkey play with a wad of bubble gum I threw him at the Birmingham Zoo. He was occupied with that for two hours - grape.


Ohm that got a chuckle out of me.

Isn't it funny when a poster types something like, thinking they are being snarky and cool when in reality all he's doing is proving how weak minded and unrealistic he is.

The replies the OP is getting isn't all from gankers (I'm not), it's from people who understand what EVE is and what it requires. patience, good sense, RESPONSIBILITY for one's self and one's own enjoyment, and the understanding that a multiplayer game is like real life in that it shows that the world doesn't revolve around any one person.

The OP (and apparently Vyl Vit) thinks it's someone Else's job to protect them against the moves (and scams) of other players. Sorry, but that's your job, no one elses. If you don't like a game about independence and freedom (for ALL players), i'ts only your fault for choosing to play it.
Natural CloneKiller
Commonwealth Mercenaries
BLACKFLAG.
#59 - 2014-08-27 15:11:19 UTC
Pure Gold...
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#60 - 2014-08-27 15:15:22 UTC
Natural CloneKiller wrote:
Pure Gold...



Good kill Mr. Clonekiller sir.