EVE General Discussion

You have snakes in your hair.

No, it doesn't really depend on either of that — it's a loss. 30M in carried loot does not make up for the loss of 10–15 destroyers. And freigthers are standard haulers. As are DSTs and BRs. A non-standard hauler would be a covops or an interceptor or maybe a Damnation. If you want to say “T1 industrial” then say “T1 industrial” — they're not the only haulers around.

And funnily enough, if they were going for tears, 15 people on a 30M target — especially if it's a T1 indy — is even less likely because no-one is going to cry over that amount. It's not something that the 15 people sitting around will be interested in.

Standard T2 fit arrives at roughly that price. For 2.5M tops, you're not even going to scratch the paint on many haulers.

…oh, and Ruby points out, the main cost here is actually the 3–4 mahours that go into that gank (and that's not even counting the waiting around for a worth-while target to appear).

absurdly courageous space hero, paragon of virtue and morality, ruler of all those players traveling in optimal range

ACSHPVMRAPTOR

implants are itchy.

It's an extortion racket, and it's within the rules of the game to run such an enterprise, they appear to have the muscle to enforce it to a certain extent too.

I agree with points 1 and 2, but ignoring them is not a particularly good option, it may end in an explosion or 3, acknowledging that they exist and planning around them is much better.

I don't know about that, the amount of tears they generate is astounding.

If it involves another player it's PvP, as for real fights you need to define that, as I'm pretty sure they roam in lowsec and nullsec and kill people, who're flying combat ships, there too, when they're not enforcing their highsec extortion racket.

Totally.

lol I actually spoke to Ralph about this the other day, seriously considering putting an alt in with you guys.

I would but while this character can do many things it can do none of them well, my alt is far more combat oriented.

It's the dark side, of course you were lied to about the cookies, you have to loot them for yourself.

Falcon you are my new hero :)
Thank you for restoring my faith in CCP.

One argument that I never see the care bears never address is this:

It takes a lot of gankers to pull off the larger ganks. That means coordinating quite a few pilots to work together.
Why don't gank targets bring along an ECM friend or two to disrupt the ganks? One mediocre ECM pilot e.g. a Griffin pilot cancels out two ganker pilots. You only have to get half as many - realistically 1/3 or less - ECM friends working together to completely negate the gank. And the gankers still loose their ships.

If you are going to use resource comparisons as an argument that ganking is unbalanced you have to consider the number of people and pilots involved on each side of the gank. Any comparison this ignores this aspect is without foundation and in my opinion ( deliberately ) intellectually dishonest.

Friends are overpowered. Nerf Friends.

Would you spend all your play time escorting someone day after day so you can ECM boost him when he needs it, maybe once in six months?

If the answer is "yes", CCP should hire you, you're the kind of sucker they're looking for when they ask players to bring friends to each and every non-PvP activity.