Wormholes

Normally, I don't give feedback to particular changes, because it doesn't affect me personally. This is normally the case because I do my business in W-Space, and not K-Space where 99% of the changes have been made up to this point.

My current status & background

I am in a small corp and currently living in a C3/LS system. We selected this type of Wormhole because of the small-gang PVP we can get with our static connection whilst having the opportunity to easily get to K-Space if needed. I have lived in all class of WH's from C1-C4. no C5's or 6's. I have done Hi-Sec missions, incursions, NullSec Coalition warfare, and Low-Sec operations coupled with PvE/PvP content in all forms mentioned above. I have specifically chosen Wormhole content vs all others for multiple reasons including the dynamic PVP content, and the unique PvE experience WSpace offers.

I play EvE for about 4 hours a day, squeezing every minute I can get into this game.

Before, and after tthe WH spawn rate changes in the previous expansion

Before the change, we was able to login about every night, and have maybe one other Wormhole connection to us. We would simply roll our Orca's through it and close it. It would take roughly 15 minutes. Afterwards, we would run sites or mine.

After the change, we login and notice 4 wormholes connecting to us (almost every single night). We would spend an average of 1-1.5 hours closing wormholes/ensuring security to our Orca's whilst closing to run sites/mine for two hours, then go to bed. This was acceptable, as we would still D-Scan and watch for an extra Signature to alert us of a possible WH connecting to us.

We would average 150-300mil a day in income in our Wormhole depending on our activities, and split 5 ways doesn't amount to a whole lot.

Hyperion Expansion

Most changes to W-Space are fine, and are easy to adapt to, and would not change the content of what we are looking to get out of EvE, except for this particular change. This change, when paired with increasing the number of WSpace to WSpace WH's vastly, has a very negative impact on the type of Content we are looking to get.

This change means that we can no longer close unwanted WH's connecting to us. This could have been acceptable to us if we had to watch 1 extra wormhole while performing operations. However, when there are multiple WSpace to Wspace connections to us, the risk mitigation becomes far more difficult. We now need one set of cloaky eyes for every WH that connects to us for us to have some sort of security or early warning system.

Our corporation does not make enough ISK to risk fielding our avg 3bil isk fleet to earn income and enjoy the Content we are looking to get. Simply put: The potential risk is far too great vs the reward. We have been looking for days that can run Operations out of our wormhole when there are an acceptable amount of WH's connecting to us, but we haven't found any as of yet and as such, is impacting the content (and enjoyment of Wspace) that all of us in the Corp are looking for.

Hyperion Expansion Feedback

I believe most of this feedback is vastly negative because of the two changes coupled together. You have the Jump Mass distance, and the increased spawn rate of Wh-Wh connections. These changes together change the content of W-Space entirely as most corporations and/or alliances will not wish to Risk performing PvE operations in their respective wormholes because they cannot close the connections based on the Jump Mass change, and coupled with that there are so many WH's connecting to them.

The greatest impact of this change will be the small corporations (like us) that do not have the manpower or ability to throw up large fleets, or have the ISK to risk losing an Orca trying to close excess WH's needed to perform operations, or to help mitigate these changes. If we did, we would need a larger WH Class, which means more content we aren't looking particularly looking for. Also, the point of W-Space will be 90% PVP and 10% PvE, which is not what most people are looking to receive.

If you have no plans to change this feature at all, I would suggest reverting the vastly increased WH spawning in our systems so that the corporations are willing to adapt to just this change, and dealing with a Rogue wormhole 1-2 times a week vs 3-4 Rogue WH's every day.

Amazing how you can give daily averages and speak of "almost every single night" when exactly one (1) night has elapsed since the change.

I too was confused at first but then I went completely balls to the wall apeshit crazy and finished reading his post.

I'm a rebel like that.

Hm okay, the patch notes do not show anything related to this prior to Hyperion, but since I was away from the game during that time, I'll take your word for it.

Agree to your post except this.

W-Space will be even more empty because most of the w-space targets are wh residents.

Less wh entities (of all size) means less pvp for everyone.

This is exactly what I think, but I know some of my corpies don't and others who are even more vocal.

"People are being forced to exert control over space instead of control over connections" is an erudite observation and speaks to what I believe is the intention of this change. People collapsing wormholes on a whim, for whatever reason be it rage-rolling for PvP or to stop people being able to PvP them (save for wandering holes) by critting or collapsing their static feels like it goes against the intended ethos of w-space.

Let's be honest with eachother, wandering holes were about the only random factor left in w-space. Everything else is known and in the case of serious players, mapped out to the nth degree. One shouldn't log in to w-space and be able to be blase about where one is, simply because the mechanics have become so well gamed. Holes are only open if the residents allow them to be, etc.

So double what the current variance is? Did you even know there even was a +/- 10% already in our calculations? Do you really think that will affect anything here?

Correct that the mechanics are well understood. But I think it is arrogant to say "rolling on a whim" goes against some "ethos of w-space". Rolling holes is basic to w-space culture. There are times when w-space dwellers have complained of being rolled out of a possible fight. No system is ever perfect. But the old system was very, very well done.

There was only one serious flaw to my mind, and that was the ability to cut off your w-space home from the rest of New Eden by collapsing all the connecting wormholes. That has always been a borderline exploit to me. I still would like to see something done about it, but the spawn/distance thing and all the random holes taken together are not the answer. It removes player control over how their w-space home is connected to New Eden. Small groups cannot any longer control the risk profile of their w-space system. It just takes too long, its too tedious and too risky. Even with a large group its still a pain in the ass to do even basic things to exert control over your w-space environment now. But small groups just completely got the shaft with Hyperion.

Player control over w-space environments is so basic to w-space that its assumed and even forgotten. CCP appears to have forgotten. Perhaps we've assumed, and then ended up surprised to see CCP had forgotten.

Seen something a long the lines of "waiting for wh to collapse, gonna go play #insert name of another game#" a few times in chat today - only once from corp - which later lead to a situation where PVP didn't happen due to *frig hole* (neither fleet could have jumped to the other) . So far these changes look like a right mess.

omg... i tad less of these frigate wormholes nobody will every really use would be nice.... i am at 4 in this single system here and there are about 20 sigs left to scan... please... what kind of rubbish is that.