Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Don't touch the Tempest please.

It is excellent as it already is imo for the unique niche it fills. Everybody I speak to loves the Tempest.

If you want to buff it then buffing it's speed / agility / lockspeed / lockdistance would be very nice though.

About battleships, I agree their MWD use could be tweaked a bit; it feels like they consume cap way too much when compared to smaller ships. For example, my Anathema can permarun its MWD, but my Dominix is dry after a few cycles, even though my related skills are very high and my Dominix has a cap recharger fitted (and in both cases the MWD is the only active module).

I also agree some battleships could use some tweaks too. The Abaddon for example suffers from serious cap issues, even though it's an Amarr gunship (aren't they supposed to be able to use lasers comfortably?), and perhaps could use a small increase in max speed. The Hyperion, I'm not much versed into it but seems to lack some cap too. And the Tempest... I don't really like the new proposed slot layout; I think swapping a highslot for a lowslot could perhaps help it more (or even high -> med!).

Marauders seem to be in a very good place right now, all of them are equally viable and are very powerful for high-end PVE (and also some PVP).

Black Ops could be tweaked too. In fact, there's a general consensus about the Sin not benefitining from drone bonuses as much as it would benefit from hybrid ones. Yes, it's a CreoDron ship, but even that can be changed. The thing is, should Black Ops be really able to pack a sudden, cloaky punch, or just being Covert Portal generators? I'm personally with the first one...

Finally, I'm also in favor on another T2 line of battleships based on the Abaddon, Maelstrom, Hyperion and Rokh. Some ideas are: smartbombing BS' with a role bonus that reduces smartbomb damage to fleet mates, or Nestor-style BS' with bonuses towards spider tanking (as oppposed to Marauders' self-support), or sub-cap mini-carriers (although those could use these models instead).

realistic roles... show me a real combat scenario that is not a forced illusion.. and I will pointyou a nother battleship taht will outdo it. IF you are usign arties you will NOT field heavy neuts because the ship cannot fit arties heavy neuts and MJD without having a HORRIBLE fit that makes your whole proposition a failure. And if you say you fit small neuts on a tempest I will simply block you...


A battleship to be useful it msut be good on a realistic scenario when beign fielded by a group that knows what they are doing against opponents that know what they are doing. Just because it is the best ship to fit when you make aretarded fit hat is horrible, that does not make it good or useful.

BTW your killboard is comprised exclusively of losses, and all on frigate sized ships. There is no reason why someoen woudl take your word or opinion about a battleship being good.

the insane fitting gap between ACs and arties causes stuff like this, I think. you give a ship fitting for arties and it has 99999999 infinite grid in AC mode, and you give a ship grid for ACs and it cannot artillery.

also optimal bonuses on minmatar are pretty bad.

I'd be more in favour of just a falloff bonus, or better, a generic optimal + falloff bonus for all half and half weapons like arties and blasters.

On that I would agree with you, it is difficult to fit the two heavy nuets with artillery in terms of PG. You can fit both but the tank suffers. An increase in PG wouldn't go amiss. And I also really liked the idea of increasing cap to keep the prop mods and nuets running for longer.

Also this is a throwaway alt with no skills if you hadn't already guessed.

Just pointing that either you support your statements with logic, facts and math or you support your statements with the reliability that your character might provide. You cannot expect to be taken seriously in a balance discussion without using either of them. I simply cannot take your word that "with creativity it works"... with no fundation because there is no reason why I should trust in your pvp experience based ont he char you are posting with.

Nothing personal.


IF the tempest could fit all that easily at same time, then yes it would have a role.

Also if cap is increased in ALL battleships that would make tempest even weaker compared to others.

Its good at ganking.
It is the cheapest ship in the game that does around 1k dps combined with 2 heavy neuts, and its speed makes it a perfect capital/supercapital ganking ship.

I'd agree with focusing it more towards being a ship able to use MJD + Prop Mod, Artillery and Heavy Neuts. Right now it needs a longer lock range and more generous PG definitely would not go amiss. Extra speed/agility and faster lock time would also be areas which should be looked at.

Hmm, i'll move to spouting this, way easier to do than anything else proposed.