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EVE has a problem with its reputation. What can or should be done?

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Jen Takhesis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-07-14 22:47:44 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.


Wait...wut? Do you ever read what gets posted in these forums?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2014-07-14 22:48:17 UTC
If EvE were a TV show, it would be an edgy, cult show that was worth watching but due to the realities of TV, it would be cancelled half way through season two


I never want it to be "How DO I Buy A House" or "My Car Is Nice" or "Soap Opera Street"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-07-14 22:48:20 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.
Its reputation is a reflection of that.
Your "ex" player quote is from infinity ziona...nuf said.

Grow up, eve is hard and we make it that way because we like it that way


Interestingly enough, Infinity Ziona was complaining about cyberbullying against him that wasn't happening (unless disagreeing with someone on the internet is cyberbullying, then I guess it was happening) around the same time that he decided to threaten people with pictures of himself, verbal abuse irl & his attack dogs.

Think about that for a minute OP.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-07-14 22:48:48 UTC
Just looked for a random WoW forum post, found this:

Quote:
Why Pandas Girls are cute

They are furry
Have cute puppy dog faces
Little bunny tails
Permanent smile
Adorable floppy dance
And Private Parker dreams of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cubFqs-oJ5Q

(This vid had me crying laughing. It also has great nostalgia shots.)
Gimme my beloved EVE sociopaths any day!

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#25 - 2014-07-14 22:49:29 UTC
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
also, from the persecutive of a player and not someone trying to make money off of this game, what exactly is the advantage of getting a lot of new players if most of them are going to be boring and low-quality


boring, low quality, unimaginitive, whiney, entitled to things without working for them and more.

Screw that, I like that EVE is a mosh pit of horrible creative people.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#26 - 2014-07-14 22:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Epeen
EVE has a bad reputation for sure. Not only among non players, but among many of the people that actually play the game.

That said. If this is not what CCP intended then they've been doing something very, very wrong. But it is what they intended. They identified a niche and exploited it.

They willingly chose to have a game that would never be popular. A game world populated by the worst douches online. And they have attempted to stay true to that vision.

I have to respect them for their integrity even if I think it was wrong that they took it to such an extreme.

Mr Epeen Cool
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2014-07-14 22:50:11 UTC

Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.
Its reputation is a reflection of that.
Your "ex" player quote is from infinity ziona...nuf said.

Grow up, eve is hard and we make it that way because we like it that way
Still have that evergreen motorcycle pic, Ralph?


Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:

Awwwwwww damnnnnn.... Stern telling offs all around!!!!! (non-violently of course)

I might.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Jen Takhesis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2014-07-14 22:50:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
If EvE were a TV show, it would be an edgy, cult show that was worth watching but due to the realities of TV, it would be cancelled half way through season two


I never want it to be "How DO I Buy A House" or "My Car Is Nice" or "Soap Opera Street"




Yeah, we totally want to be Firefly!


Err, waitaminit... Gunsmoke! Yeah, Gunsmoke. That's it.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#29 - 2014-07-14 22:51:39 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Nathaniel Raynaud wrote:
also, from the persecutive of a player and not someone trying to make money off of this game, what exactly is the advantage of getting a lot of new players if most of them are going to be boring and low-quality


boring, low quality, unimaginitive, whiney, entitled to things without working for them and more.

Screw that, I like that EVE is a mosh pit of horrible creative people.


But if you give them a highsec titan they will stay a month or 2 after leveling up their raven. I saw it on a blog so it must be true.

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Grape Juice
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-07-14 22:51:45 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:


All of the above is correct.

If EVE wants to avoid the slow decline, it needs to introduce areas for consensual PvP (arenas-battlegrounds-whatever) and clamp down on the griefing/suicide-ganking.

100% PvP is what makes Eve what it is. Even if you sit in Jita 4-4 trading all day, every day, you're still PvP'ing.

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New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play.

Simple as that.

Yeah, let's mislead people into believing your first point might actually be a thing. There worse things than being griefed, like being lied to and misled.

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Will it happen? No, because ~reasons~

There's a dozen threads a day about why this won't happen.

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Whatever. Theirs jobs to lose, not mine. Meh.

Seeing as subscriptions have risen easily 200% in the last 2-3 years, I think you might be the opposite of correct.

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EDIT - and why the hell aren't there normal video-tutorials? What is this, the 1990s? Instead of wasting money on flashy intros, get a nice 2-hour long video tutorial on how to actually play the game.

NPE gives you a tutorial based on what you want to learn. Who the hell wants to watch a full-featured film about how to play a video game?
Myxx
The Scope
#31 - 2014-07-14 22:53:59 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.
Its reputation is a reflection of that.
Your "ex" player quote is from infinity ziona...nuf said.

Grow up, eve is hard and we make it that way because we like it that way


Interestingly enough, Infinity Ziona was complaining about cyberbullying against him that wasn't happening (unless disagreeing with someone on the internet is cyberbullying, then I guess it was happening) around the same time that he decided to threaten people with pictures of himself, verbal abuse irl & his attack dogs.

Think about that for a minute OP.


I was wondering why that name was relevant. Did not know that. ohwell. in all honesty, it isn't a unique viewpoint I don't think.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#32 - 2014-07-14 22:54:03 UTC
Jen Takhesis wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Eve deliberately excludes the stupid and the weak willied.


Wait...wut? Do you ever read what gets posted in these forums?
Imagine how bad it would be if the stupid and weak willed weren't excluded. I've seen the forums of other games, by comparison the Eve forums are a paragon of good posting.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

New Player FAQ

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Nathaniel Raynaud
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-07-14 22:55:38 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Just looked for a random WoW forum post, found this:

Quote:
Why Pandas Girls are cute

They are furry
Have cute puppy dog faces
Little bunny tails
Permanent smile
Adorable floppy dance
And Private Parker dreams of them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cubFqs-oJ5Q

(This vid had me crying laughing. It also has great nostalgia shots.)
Gimme my beloved EVE sociopaths any day!

you think you know a guy, and then he posts in one of those horrible threads where they start "ironically" talking about how they'd totally bang x toon
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#34 - 2014-07-14 22:58:16 UTC
EVE ONLINE: Be the villain*




*being the villain includes only calling yourself a villain. Any action that is deemed unwanted by any player in any way shape or form including those actions that fall wholly within the bounds of the rules of gameplay will be deemed inappropriate and will be dealt with severely. Be the villain at your own risk.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#35 - 2014-07-14 23:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Myxx wrote:
wall of text


All of the above is correct.

If EVE wants to avoid the slow decline, it needs to introduce areas for consensual PvP (arenas-battlegrounds-whatever) and clamp down on the griefing/suicide-ganking.

New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play.

Simple as that.

Will it happen? No, because ~reasons~

Whatever. Theirs jobs to lose, not mine. Meh.

EDIT - and why the hell aren't there normal video-tutorials? What is this, the 1990s? Instead of wasting money on flashy intros, get a nice 2-hour long video tutorial on how to actually play the game.


What I will never ever understand is why people like you play a video game that has guns in it if you have a problem with being shot.

I mean that in the broadest sense, one of the things I've learned being a gamer is that most gamers are show weak of mind and shallow of ego that 'dying' in a video game somehow 'hurts'.

Still, as long as there are games for those (virtually spineless) masses and then games for the "it's not real so no F$!*%s are given by me if I explode", Im fine with it, we can have EVE and they can have the rest of the MMO-verse.....

...Then here comes the insidious carebear types that aren't satisfied with 99.9% of all western MMOs. No, EVE must be assimilated into the "wrap everyone in cotton" carebear fold too. THAT's what I find outrageous.
Badden Powell
No Chit
#36 - 2014-07-14 23:01:27 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Awwwwww damnnnn... Torch and Pitchfork Firesale!!!!!!!!!!


WTB, 1 of each please.


WTB: Torch BPO, Pitchfork BPO.

having pondered the OP for a moment, i can testify that i'm not the person to answer or solve the "problem" they point out. The thought of scaring away potential players ( customers ), would keep any marketing, PR, or other executive awake at night... but is it truly a problem? From personal experience, i had no desire to play MMO games ever. The impression i got from MMO's was they were all some form of "fight this dragon, then bring its balls to that wizard". EVE is the first one i tried, and the only one i still play. The biggest draw is and always has been the ships. I like space ships, and interstellar travel. While the number of MMO in space titles has grown, EVE is still a place where you can choose to be ruggedly independent, organize in a quasi socialist commune, or just log in and shoot the first thing that crosses your path to see what happens. In the meantime, i will have a collection of star ships to pour over, figure out which ones are missing, and how to acquire them.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#37 - 2014-07-14 23:01:30 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
EVE ONLINE: Be the villain*




*being the villain includes only calling yourself a villain. Any action that is deemed unwanted by any player in any way shape or form including those actions that fall wholly within the bounds of the rules of gameplay will be deemed inappropriate and will be dealt with severely. Be the villain at your own risk.


It's so true it pisses me right off. RIGHT OFF I say . Evil
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-07-14 23:02:29 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
New plays should not be griefed or scammed or ganked in any way, and there should be an area in EVE where it should be COMPLETELY safe for people to play.


New people should have a completely safe area to play while they learn, but if you make that available for just anyone then everywhere else is going to be very quiet.


And you've my point for me. If current gameplay mode is superior, then CCP has nothing to worry about. But if even a goon admits that this new safe mode proposed will be more attractive to EVERYONE, well, thats an answer in itself.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#39 - 2014-07-14 23:04:02 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
even a goon


Predjudice is the most poisonous thing that currently exists in the game

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-07-14 23:04:33 UTC
Badden Powell wrote:
The impression i got from MMO's was they were all some form of "fight this dragon, then bring its balls to that wizard".
In EVE, you get to blow up and pod someone, then bring his frozen corpse to your CEO.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!