EVE General Discussion

In most developed countries the group that lobbies for that type of thing are not environmentalists (Because they usually have no power to lobby). Most of the lobby comes from health Insurance companies.. that cut costs a LOT when people have less lung problems...

Do it then.

Somehow, I get through Uedama on my alt, in a hauler, on a daily basis, and come back again, without getting ganked. Only a few people know who my alt are, and they're not CODE or anyone doing the ganking affording me special protections. My alt doesn't have a 'permit', either, and yet, that's a 0% ganked rate for me.

So, if ganking freighters is so bad, why not use one of the many non-freighter ships to haul with. Things that don't die as easy.

Surely, if ganking is having THAT big an impact, the added expense of using alternate hauling will be covered.


I mean, you really got to pick a side.
A. Ganks are so bad that using things like JFs are worth it.
B. Ganks really aren't that bad overall, nothing needs to be done.


It's the old New Order Fallacy, dressed up in freighters this time. The New Order is a worthless useless group that doesn't impact anything in EVE but we need to buff (gank target) because so many of them are dying to New Order ganks.

Uhuh, and edited my post above with a link you might enjoy. It might also make you a bit sick to read it, but... them's the breaks.

Well, I'm disabled, and he's about to try to make me get one.

I would love to see you prove that freighter ganking is directly proportional to the amount of cars sold by Ford (is that worldwide or your local market? Would you include the Mazda's that wear Ford badges and vice versa?)

I openly admitted that the data is limited and likely to be flawed, something you appear to have missed. I also cited my source, something else that you and your ilk fail to do on a regular basis. There is no method of removing non industrial ships from the amount of jumps, because that data is not publicly available.

If you have some super secret data source that does cover this, share it. I would love to be able to see the numbers for ganks vs successful travel for a subset of ships through a system.

FYI any data from the QENs would be at best 3 years out of date, the last available QEN is for the final quarter of 2010 and was released in April 2011. In July 2011 CCP announced that there would be no more.

10 ships got killed while hauling through Uedama during the 24 hour period I used, I have no doubt that several hundred other ships, also hauling and which didn't get killed, passed through Uedama during that same period.

Therefore, given the data available, my point stands. The chances of getting ganked in a chokepoint system are very very small. There is no glut of suicide ganking, there is however, a glut of moaning minnies whining about it.

Couple of things..

a) Freighters are the only ship that can move some items.
b) Some people need to move huge quantities of goods, anything smaller than a freighter is utterly inefficient for this.
c) Jump freighters are vital for many low/null resupplies, they're not something you can just decide to not use.

I've thought for a very long time that there needed to be a hauling ship between industrials and freighter (no not the Orca), but the simple truth is that for some tasks you don't have any choice but to use the freighter.

With the new Industry, I wonder if people will start to realize that they
can sell their stuff anywhere they want,
with higher profits than by moving them to central points with high competition.

I assume that the closer one gets to populated systems,
the higher prosuction costs will be,
so more people will build away from populated systems,
meaning more and more systems will be used to build things ...

... and hopefully more people will be smart enough to sell locally.

that one confuses me

if your disabled you now have to get a part time job or lose all benefits BUT if you do any work at all you will be investigated for not being truly disabled

So you think a grand total of 3 freighters travel from Dodi to Jita in 24h... Wow you sure have a feel for numbers.

My hauling alt often goes through Uedama. She always sees at least 1 freighter in system, no matter the time of day. Assuming 2 minutes gate-to-gate travel time (it's actually less), that means at least 30 freighters per hour, or over 600 per day.

So Jonah's 'several hundred' is either spot on or underestimated.

3 freighters per day... lmao!