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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1861 - 2014-07-13 23:38:28 UTC
All the talk of security status seems a bit irrelevant when you can just buy tags to bring it back up again. Security status is now just a matter of spending ISK/PLEX though I assume this has already been mentioned somewhere in the last 90 pages :D


On a slightly related noted, if CODE want to extend their rather ineffectual attempts at being annoying using AFK as a justification why haven't they made up a permit for PI related ships like the Epithal ? Or for that matter all covops capable ships as they spend a lot of time AFK as well (they may have trouble ganking those however) :D
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1862 - 2014-07-13 23:53:45 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
All the talk of security status seems a bit irrelevant when you can just buy tags to bring it back up again. Security status is now just a matter of spending ISK/PLEX though I assume this has already been mentioned somewhere in the last 90 pages :D


The high price of those tags cannot be discounted. Sec status drops are not something that can be handwaved out of the discussion.


"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#1863 - 2014-07-14 00:24:31 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
All the talk of security status seems a bit irrelevant when you can just buy tags to bring it back up again. Security status is now just a matter of spending ISK/PLEX though I assume this has already been mentioned somewhere in the last 90 pages :D


On a slightly related noted, if CODE want to extend their rather ineffectual attempts at being annoying using AFK as a justification why haven't they made up a permit for PI related ships like the Epithal ? Or for that matter all covops capable ships as they spend a lot of time AFK as well (they may have trouble ganking those however) :D


an afk cloaked covops ship makes no money. Unlike an afk mackinaw.

also afk cloakers are kind of necessary at this point in time to counter the all powerful local. which works well in places where there aren't 50 neutrals.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1864 - 2014-07-14 00:33:24 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
All the talk of security status seems a bit irrelevant when you can just buy tags to bring it back up again. Security status is now just a matter of spending ISK/PLEX though I assume this has already been mentioned somewhere in the last 90 pages :D


On a slightly related noted, if CODE want to extend their rather ineffectual attempts at being annoying using AFK as a justification why haven't they made up a permit for PI related ships like the Epithal ? Or for that matter all covops capable ships as they spend a lot of time AFK as well (they may have trouble ganking those however) :D


an afk cloaked covops ship makes no money. Unlike an afk mackinaw.

also afk cloakers are kind of necessary at this point in time to counter the all powerful local. which works well in places where there aren't 50 neutrals.


Actually, there used to be a guy who would pay you 100mil per week to AFK cloak in PL renter space. I used to plex an account doing that back in the day.

But you are correct in that it mechanically does not pay anything.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#1865 - 2014-07-14 03:33:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Actually, there used to be a guy who would pay you 100mil per week to AFK cloak in PL renter space. I used to plex an account doing that back in the day.

But you are correct in that it mechanically does not pay anything.


Costs $62/mo power in aus to leave my main machine running with eve up camping - notebook might be able to do better, but getting it below plex cost would be unlikely here...
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1866 - 2014-07-14 03:37:32 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Actually, there used to be a guy who would pay you 100mil per week to AFK cloak in PL renter space. I used to plex an account doing that back in the day.

But you are correct in that it mechanically does not pay anything.


Costs $62/mo power in aus to leave my main machine running with eve up camping - notebook might be able to do better, but getting it below plex cost would be unlikely here...


Is your computer powered by a diesel engine, or what? How can it possibly cost that much to run a computer?

Yeesh, that's why I'm glad the environmentalists haven't overrun my country. It costs me ~165 dollars a month to run my entire house. That's two TVs, four computers(the computers are always on, I run one of them as a server, and another as a media controller for half the stuff in my house, including my lights), a washing machine and dryer, and an electric stove. Plus my air conditioning.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#1867 - 2014-07-14 03:57:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Is your computer powered by a diesel engine, or what? How can it possibly cost that much to run a computer?

Because it's powered by a carbon tax and privatised power companies.

My place costs almost $6000 a year in electricity.

Power costs are ridiculous in Oz.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#1868 - 2014-07-14 03:59:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
It has nothing to do with environmentalists and everything to do with poor industry regulation and good old fashioned gouging.

Edit: if you think repealing the carbon tax without legislation mandating the cost savings be passed on to consumers will result in cheaper energy prices, I have a bridge to sell you.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1869 - 2014-07-14 04:19:58 UTC
Arkady, you normally have your head on straight.

But you cannot tell me that environmentalists aren't at fault for a carbon tax. Little enough as I know about Aussie politics, I highly doubt that any other political lobby group put such a thing into place.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#1870 - 2014-07-14 04:36:09 UTC
I dont dispute that environmentalists helped put it in place. That alone doesn't account for the outrageous price hike. Nor will repealing it result in cheaper energy costs (unless legislation is put in place to force energy companies to pass on the savings and the ACCC and ASIC are given enough power to police it). Some companies are already claiming they won't pass it on because allegedly they've already absorbed the cost internally. Which is generally a lie.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1871 - 2014-07-14 04:40:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Arkady, you normally have your head on straight.

But you cannot tell me that environmentalists aren't at fault for a carbon tax. Little enough as I know about Aussie politics, I highly doubt that any other political lobby group put such a thing into place.


Environmentalist plus any anti mining/coal industry lobby which in Australia is rather complicated. Rural/farming lobbies and the indigenous population tend to also be "anti big mining" whereas business and unions are in favor of it or anything else that brings in cash.

Note that the carbon tax here had minimal effect on Aussie electricity prices. But you cannot tell the Aussie public that because they base all their information on TV and newspaper articles and the press these days are all whores to corporate business :D

There IS a major problem with electricity pricing in Australia but the root cause is a lot of unnecessary transmission line upgrades at silly costs through mismanagement and corruption (friends of the board own a construction company ?? ) combined with a "privatisation" policy selling local power assets to overseas multinationals. Some how this was blamed on a carbon tax.

As a case in point my current bill is $320 a quarter which consists of $110 ACTUAL electricity including about $6 carbon tax and a whopping great $210 (more than 2/3 of my bill) for a services fee and paying off capital costs.


back on topic --->

As far as running a PC goes, electricity here is around 35 cents a kwh so $60 a month sounds about right if its a gaming desktop and the only reason to run it was AFK camping.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1872 - 2014-07-14 04:43:18 UTC
Ah, so they do to you guys what they do to us for internet. Gotcha.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#1873 - 2014-07-14 05:14:27 UTC
Nearly at 100 pages of tears.

Keep it up!
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1874 - 2014-07-14 05:15:40 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ah, so they do to you guys what they do to us for internet. Gotcha.


Its all graft and corruption :D



As an example:

Cost of electricity to the consumer from Grid:

35 cents per kwh

Amount you get paid to "feed back" electricity from solar/wind equipment INTO the grid:

60 cents per kwh under the previous pro-green government (clearly too high)
4 cents per kwh under the current corrupt pro-mining government (stupidly low)

As can be seen, common sense or what is rational has nothing to do with it, its all politically driven on both sides of politics.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#1875 - 2014-07-14 05:28:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ah, so they do to you guys what they do to us for internet. Gotcha.


We have the same thing with Internet services too. Plus our infrastructure is laughable compared to most modern nations.

Ask me about the tax system sometime.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1876 - 2014-07-14 05:38:02 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ah, so they do to you guys what they do to us for internet. Gotcha.


We have the same thing with Internet servicespecially too. Plus our infrastructure is laughable compared to most modern nations.


Idk about that, I'm in telecomm myself. The United States is staggering along under an infrastructure that, if given scrutiny, has barely been touched since the 70s.

The telecomm company breakup in the late 90s (thanks, Clinton) turned one relatively benevolent monopoly into fifty small, localized, extremely hostile monopolies. The end result of course is that we now have three choices, and they're all basically the same.

But the worst thing was that, where AT&T had EARNED their infrastructure, built it from the ground up and had plans to upgrade it, these new companies had earned nothing and were only out to see who could milk their customers the hardest, now with government mandates and support. The new companies paid nothing for their infrastructure, and they've been riding on next to zero operational expenses for almost two decades now. The "cost" of telecommunications services is 100% arbitrary.

So they're silver spoon babies, with all the contempt and hostility to their customers that only entitlement can bring.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#1877 - 2014-07-14 06:08:35 UTC
Kind of like care bears?


See how I brought that on topic? Someone give me a posting medal.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1878 - 2014-07-14 06:10:41 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Kind of like care bears?


See how I brought that on topic? Someone give me a posting medal.


Bah, I led you into it. But, (and bear with me for this one), isn't following someone else's narrative just like a Goon? :P

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1879 - 2014-07-14 06:17:08 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Kind of like care bears?


See how I brought that on topic? Someone give me a posting medal.



All of the real world are carebears except for Somali pirates a few warlords in 3rd world countries and some fictional heros in Hollywood thrillers :D





Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ah, so they do to you guys what they do to us for internet. Gotcha.


We have the same thing with Internet servicespecially too. Plus our infrastructure is laughable compared to most modern nations.


Idk about that, I'm in telecomm myself. The United States is staggering along under an infrastructure that, if given scrutiny, has barely been touched since the 70s.

The telecomm company breakup in the late 90s (thanks, Clinton) turned one relatively benevolent monopoly into fifty small, localized, extremely hostile monopolies. The end result of course is that we now have three choices, and they're all basically the same.

But the worst thing was that, where AT&T had EARNED their infrastructure, built it from the ground up and had plans to upgrade it, these new companies had earned nothing and were only out to see who could milk their customers the hardest, now with government mandates and support. The new companies paid nothing for their infrastructure, and they've been riding on next to zero operational expenses for almost two decades now. The "cost" of telecommunications services is 100% arbitrary.

So they're silver spoon babies, with all the contempt and hostility to their customers that only entitlement can bring.



You do have Google putting in fiber to the premises in about 30 cities.

Our current government thinks WWII vintage corroded copper is all that is need due to "magical technical mumbo jumbo" making crazy speeds theoretically possible on a brand new (prob cat6e) copper line.
Pookie McPook
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
#1880 - 2014-07-14 08:59:50 UTC
Arkady Romanov wrote:
It has nothing to do with environmentalists and everything to do with poor industry regulation and good old fashioned gouging.

Edit: if you think repealing the carbon tax without legislation mandating the cost savings be passed on to consumers will result in cheaper energy prices, I have a bridge to sell you.


Carbon taxes were intended to be funded by the energy companies out of their vast profits. Obviously that was a KTHXBAI moment and they just lumped it onto energy prices. To assume a repeal in the tax would result in a commensurate reduction in energy bills is as naïve as governments were to begin with.