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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1601 - 2014-07-08 17:40:07 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:


This is so utterly and mindnumbingly wrong that it's hard to even find words..


Not as wrong as saying a bigger ore bay lets a Ret mine signifigantly faster than a Proc

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Telekon
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1602 - 2014-07-08 17:43:07 UTC
As a miner I'm actually not opposed to the current ganking mechanic, but if there's going to be a miner strike I'll happily participate just so I can have something else to not do.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1603 - 2014-07-08 17:46:25 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:
This is so utterly and mindnumbingly wrong completely correct, not to mention historically proven that it's hard to even find words..
Fixed.
And that is exactly why every attempt at argue cost as a balancing mechanic fails pretty much immediately and why no-one can actually offer any kind of argument against it.

Balancing with cost only works if there is no actual economy; when you're collecting and spending a static amount of build points rather than something that could be considered an proper, dynamic, and mutable currency.
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1604 - 2014-07-08 17:54:39 UTC
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool

Because Far-que... That's why.
Lady Areola Fappington
#1605 - 2014-07-08 17:58:35 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kal Murmur wrote:
This is so utterly and mindnumbingly wrong completely correct, not to mention historically proven that it's hard to even find words..
Fixed.
And that is exactly why every attempt at argue cost as a balancing mechanic fails pretty much immediately and why no-one can actually offer any kind of argument against it.

Balancing with cost only works if there is no actual economy; when you're collecting and spending a static amount of build points rather than something that could be considered an proper, dynamic, and mutable currency.



We all remember back in the early days, when CCP introduced Titans. We were told, don't worry about titans being overpowered, because the price of such ships was so insane. They basically "self-balanced" it was said, and no alliance would own more than a half-dozen, tops. They'd basically just be penis compensation objects.


We see how well that worked out, right?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1606 - 2014-07-08 18:24:00 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool



The opposite is true. Highsec has never been safer, that is, if you bother to even attempt to defend yourself anyway. In fact, highsec mechanics pay out far too well for such risk free activity.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1607 - 2014-07-08 18:29:09 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool

Rather than assume that you just said something quite silly, I'm going to read that as if you're talking about the gankers.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#1608 - 2014-07-08 18:34:55 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidl

Well when you start whining for the PvP players to be nerfed in general discussion, that's likely to happen.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1609 - 2014-07-08 18:43:45 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool



The opposite is true. Highsec has never been safer, that is, if you bother to even attempt to defend yourself anyway. In fact, highsec mechanics pay out far too well for such risk free activity.


*snip*
Quote:
34. Posting of kill reports outside of the Crime & Punishment forum channel is prohibited.
Please do not post kill mails outside of C&P. Thanks. ~ ISD Decoy.

Because Far-que... That's why.
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1610 - 2014-07-08 18:44:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool

Rather than assume that you just said something quite silly, I'm going to read that as if you're talking about the gankers.


Perhaps the blue shield...

Because Far-que... That's why.
Da Dom
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1611 - 2014-07-08 18:45:22 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidl

Well when you start whining for the PvP players to be nerfed in general discussion, that's likely to happen.


Swing and a miss

Because Far-que... That's why.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#1612 - 2014-07-08 18:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Da Dom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool



The opposite is true. Highsec has never been safer, that is, if you bother to even attempt to defend yourself anyway. In fact, highsec mechanics pay out far too well for such risk free activity.


*snip* No kill mails outside of C&P. ~ ISD Decoy

That guy made himself the most cost efficient activity in highsec.
What's your point.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Paranoid Loyd
#1613 - 2014-07-08 18:50:59 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Da Dom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool



The opposite is true. Highsec has never been safer, that is, if you bother to even attempt to defend yourself anyway. In fact, highsec mechanics pay out far too well for such risk free activity.


*snip* No kill mails outside of C&P. ~ ISD Decoy


He shot first, he chose his destiny, apparently he has done this more than once.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1614 - 2014-07-08 19:25:38 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool



The opposite is true. Highsec has never been safer, that is, if you bother to even attempt to defend yourself anyway. In fact, highsec mechanics pay out far too well for such risk free activity.


*snip* No kill mails outside of C&P. ~ ISD Decoy

That guy made himself the most cost efficient activity in highsec.
What's your point.


Scott shot first. TheWidower was only defending himself. Apparently shooting back is now a heresy against hisec safety.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1615 - 2014-07-08 20:37:42 UTC
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool

The only reward that would get me to jump in highsec is concord removal.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1616 - 2014-07-08 20:43:57 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:
Tippia wrote:
So what you're saying is that suicide ganking needs to be buffed, since not only do you have no element of surprise in the instant-intel world of EVE, but you also have a very minute selection of targets and even among that selection, the targets are largely self-selected rather than something the gankers can pick and choose from.


Please be better at the game. Pick a moderately busy system with ice anomaly, wait for ice to respawn + 10-20 minutes for the flock of Orcas and barges to arrive, wait another 30 minutes for the miners to start nodding off from the sheer tedium of ice mining, enter sys, ship up and farm tears.

Alternatively if you want freighters, sit on any busy trade route with a side system.

If people are going to gank carebears at least have the good grace to stop pretending that it's oh so difficult.


Go gank a fleet of supertank skiffs, tell me its easy and profitable.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1617 - 2014-07-08 20:46:17 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Da Dom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool



The opposite is true. Highsec has never been safer, that is, if you bother to even attempt to defend yourself anyway. In fact, highsec mechanics pay out far too well for such risk free activity.


*snip* No kill mails outside of C&P. ~ ISD Decoy


The story

He killed himself.
Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics
CODE.
#1618 - 2014-07-08 21:00:29 UTC
81 pages of tears will keep my family fed through winter.

Highsec is owned by players now. Systems 0.5-1.0 are New Order Territory. All miners and other residents of Highsec must obey The Code. Mining without a permit is dangerous and harmful to the EVE community. See www.MinerBumping.com
Organic Lager
Drinking Buddies
#1619 - 2014-07-08 21:16:04 UTC
Galaxy Pig wrote:
81 pages of tears will keep my family fed through winter.


I don't believe we are done yet, set sights on 100. Your family will dine like kings!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1620 - 2014-07-08 21:19:28 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Decoy
Da Dom wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Da Dom wrote:
The risk of undocking in high sec is increasing rapidly and the rewards for doing so need to be buffed...

Big timeCool



The opposite is true. Highsec has never been safer, that is, if you bother to even attempt to defend yourself anyway. In fact, highsec mechanics pay out far too well for such risk free activity.


*snip* No kill mails outside of C&P. ~ ISD Decoy


I am supposed to say anything besides "lol" to that?

I mean, what, are you suggesting that he shouldn't have died because his ship was expensive? Because if that's your point, you may as well just biomass right now.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.