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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1561 - 2014-07-08 12:15:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kal Murmur wrote:
Please be better at the game.
Quite impossible. I'm already 100% successful.

Quote:
Pick a moderately busy system with ice anomaly, wait for ice to respawn + 10-20 minutes for the flock of Orcas and barges to arrive, wait another 30 minutes for the miners to start nodding off from the sheer tedium of ice mining, enter sys, ship up and farm tears.
…and yet, there is no surprise since you are trivially identifiable long before you even arrive on grid (or, hell, in-system).

Quote:
If people are going to gank carebears at least have the good grace to stop pretending that it's oh so difficult.
It is exactly as difficult as the self-selected victims choose to make it.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#1562 - 2014-07-08 12:19:04 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Kal Murmur wrote:
Please be better at the game.
Quite impossible. I'm already 100% successful.


Also apparently 100% successful at forums.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1563 - 2014-07-08 12:32:38 UTC

Kal Murmur wrote:
A 'stupid ship'. Thanks, you just summed up your take on this very nicely.


You are saying a hulk ISNT a stupid ship to solo mine in?
Are you serious?

Kal Murmur wrote:
Yes well done, when a group go around blowing up large numbers of other peoples stuff in high sec, that's the fault of the people getting shot. Except in the many, many instances where it demonstrably isn't.


Please demonstrate how it is not.

Kal Murmur wrote:
I don't need any help with my own safety thanks, I'm not the one losing ships. I'm the one doing my ganking in low sec where when you pop a retriever in a belt you can genuinely say he deserved it for choosing a course of action that he could reasonably expect to be dangerous..


Its not ganking in Lowsec. Honestly, do you even hear yourself?

Mining in a Retriever ANYWHERE where you dont have System Control is dangerous, its a weak ship.

So yes, choosing a Ret over a Proc IS a stupid action and the pilot DOES deserve what they get, provided they havent been advised by a terrible CEO to drive the wrong ship.

Its probably a good thing you are in a solo corp so you cant spread this terrible advice to anyone else.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#1564 - 2014-07-08 13:03:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Kal Murmur wrote:


I don't need any help with my own safety thanks, I'm not the one losing ships. I'm the one doing my ganking in low sec where when you pop a retriever in a belt you can genuinely say he deserved it for choosing a course of action that he could reasonably expect to be dangerous. Unlike say undocking at Jita or Amarr on the wrong day.


There is no moral difference between killing a retriever in lowsec and killing one in highsec, and since I have an undock insta for any station I deem risky to undock at, when I undock my alts skiff or orca, my alt is immediately transported to an empty grid where there are no gankers.

ie there is no such thing as undocking at Jita or Ammar on the wrong day, there is only lack of undock insta.

Also since I just checked, the highsec system that I would solo mine in, has 3 players in space and no station. That means that I would immediately be able to identify any CODE entering system, and warp to a safe, without having to resort to horrible tasks like pressing d-scan repeatedly. ie local is ridiculously powerful when you take steps to remove the chaff. That will be a particularly good highsec system to mine in when the next patch is released and one can unload into a pos compressor.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1565 - 2014-07-08 13:11:28 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Kal Murmur wrote:
Please be better at the game.
Quite impossible. I'm already 100% successful.


Also apparently 100% successful at forums.

Only if you count trolling and getting threads locked then 1000% not 100%. Big smile
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1566 - 2014-07-08 13:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Has anyone else seen odd things happening with people's names on the forums?

Until the screen refreshed, one of the people on here's name was displayed as Hollyshocker Twointhesink....

Edit: It did it again!

HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy
Caldari State
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"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1567 - 2014-07-08 13:16:10 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Gavin Dax wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Gavin Dax wrote:

In high sec, yes.


Why is it relevant where a ship is killed?


Because different parts of space have different rules/mechanics? This allows the game to support a variety of different player preferences and play-styles. No, a frigate should not be able to kill a marauder in HS. The cost to gank it should be balanced based on something better than it is now. I'm suggesting to use the hull value as a guideline for any balance changes with ganking.


No a fighter bomber should not be able to kill a battleship in pearl harb.... oh wait


DUDE!
Too soon, man. Too soon. Cry

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1568 - 2014-07-08 13:16:59 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Has anyone else seen odd things happening with people's names on the forums?

Until the screen refreshed, one of the people on here's name was displayed as Hollyshocker Twointhesink....

LMAO that was stink but could just as well could be sink depending on the application. Twisted
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1569 - 2014-07-08 13:18:09 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Has anyone else seen odd things happening with people's names on the forums?

Until the screen refreshed, one of the people on here's name was displayed as Hollyshocker Twointhesink....

LMAO that was stink but could just as well be sink depending on the application. Twisted


How did you get it to do that?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1570 - 2014-07-08 13:19:59 UTC  |  Edited by: E-2C Hawkeye
Ramona McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Has anyone else seen odd things happening with people's names on the forums?

Until the screen refreshed, one of the people on here's name was displayed as Hollyshocker Twointhesink....

LMAO that was stink but could just as well be sink depending on the application. Twisted


How did you get it to do that?

I didnt. Was my original name before the forum warriors reported it and they made me change it. Sure it was some type of forum glitch.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1571 - 2014-07-08 13:23:59 UTC
So to recap:

Ganking is up, or down, or flat. One of those is bound to be right.
CFC is resetting RZR and renting out Tenal.
Tippia has apparently won Eve at some point.
T3s are still not peacetime reimburseable.
Hulks are terrible for solo mining.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1572 - 2014-07-08 13:24:35 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Has anyone else seen odd things happening with people's names on the forums?

Until the screen refreshed, one of the people on here's name was displayed as Hollyshocker Twointhesink....

LMAO that was stink but could just as well be sink depending on the application. Twisted


How did you get it to do that?

I didnt. Was my original name before the forum warriors reported it and they made me change it. Sure it was some type of forum glitch.


Ah ok, sorry for bringing it up

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#1573 - 2014-07-08 13:30:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Has anyone else seen odd things happening with people's names on the forums?

Until the screen refreshed, one of the people on here's name was displayed as Hollyshocker Twointhesink....

LMAO that was stink but could just as well be sink depending on the application. Twisted


How did you get it to do that?

I didnt. Was my original name before the forum warriors reported it and they made me change it. Sure it was some type of forum glitch.


Ah ok, sorry for bringing it up

LOL its ok. I am not butt hurt over it or anything. It is a rare event for me to get upset over a video game. It can happen just rare Big smile
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1574 - 2014-07-08 13:32:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Gully Alex Foyle
De'Veldrin wrote:
So to recap:

Ganking is up, or down, or flat. One of those is bound to be right.
CFC is resetting RZR and renting out Tenal.
Tippia has apparently won Eve at some point.
T3s are still not peacetime reimburseable.
Hulks are terrible for solo mining.
Also, according to eve-search, 278 people (including myself, of course) have had WAY too much free time in the last 3 weeks.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1575 - 2014-07-08 13:40:31 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Has anyone else seen odd things happening with people's names on the forums?

Until the screen refreshed, one of the people on here's name was displayed as Hollyshocker Twointhesink....

They're doing some forum “upgrades”. Part of it is just layout changes, but there are some content alterations as well. It Wouldn't surprise me if various cached db calls might spit all kinds of odd data for a while until they're finished.
Kal Murmur
Lazortits
#1576 - 2014-07-08 13:45:12 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Its not ganking in Lowsec. Honestly, do you even hear yourself?


Please learn what words mean.

Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mining in a Retriever ANYWHERE where you dont have System Control is dangerous, its a weak ship.


In other words Hi-Sec miners need to have a hard lock on their mining ships at proc level, thus extending even further the tediousness of their grinding?

Ramona McCandless wrote:
So yes, choosing a Ret over a Proc IS a stupid action and the pilot DOES deserve what they get, provided they havent been advised by a terrible CEO to drive the wrong ship.


Funny how all your input on this subject seems to end up being 'miners deserve whatever they get'. I'd love to see how you feel about ship prices if all those miners stop mining.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1577 - 2014-07-08 13:51:11 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Its not ganking in Lowsec. Honestly, do you even hear yourself?


Please learn what words mean.

Ramona McCandless wrote:
Mining in a Retriever ANYWHERE where you dont have System Control is dangerous, its a weak ship.


In other words Hi-Sec miners need to have a hard lock on their mining ships at proc level, thus extending even further the tediousness of their grinding?

Ramona McCandless wrote:
So yes, choosing a Ret over a Proc IS a stupid action and the pilot DOES deserve what they get, provided they havent been advised by a terrible CEO to drive the wrong ship.


Funny how all your input on this subject seems to end up being 'miners deserve whatever they get'. I'd love to see how you feel about ship prices if all those miners stop mining.
I'd love to see a mass miner strike!

Kal please organise it.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1578 - 2014-07-08 13:55:40 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
I'd love to see a mass miner strike!

Kal please organise it.


Miner strike, lol. There are a few reasons why I'd love to see this.

One, the complete lack of effect that it would have given how much mining and production takes place not in high sec.

Two, what the miners would do without their mining. Would they have to do something else that requires the very ships they're trying to create a shortage of? Or would they just not play, and if it came to wasting game time and not playing, how many would really go for that I wonder?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#1579 - 2014-07-08 13:58:11 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:

Please learn what words mean.


Please explain how I am wrong in your opinion

Kal Murmur wrote:

In other words Hi-Sec miners need to have a hard lock on their mining ships at proc level, thus extending even further the tediousness of their grinding?

What? Sorry on what planet does a Proc mine signifigantly less than the tankless heap that is a Ret? Have you actually looked at statistics or are you guessing?


Kal Murmur wrote:
Funny how all your input on this subject seems to end up being 'miners deserve whatever they get'. I'd love to see how you feel about ship prices if all those miners stop mining.


No, my input is that morons who dont take responsibility for their actions get what they deserve.

I have stated THREE TIMES already that I have alts, friends and slaves who all mine perfectly well and have not suffered ganks in MONTHS and yet you refuse to even ackowledge this fact.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1580 - 2014-07-08 14:02:22 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Kal Murmur wrote:

Please learn what words mean.


Please explain how I am wrong in your opinion

Kal Murmur wrote:

In other words Hi-Sec miners need to have a hard lock on their mining ships at proc level, thus extending even further the tediousness of their grinding?

What? Sorry on what planet does a Proc mine signifigantly less than the tankless heap that is a Ret? Have you actually looked at statistics or are you guessing?


Kal Murmur wrote:
Funny how all your input on this subject seems to end up being 'miners deserve whatever they get'. I'd love to see how you feel about ship prices if all those miners stop mining.


No, my input is that morons who dont take responsibility for their actions get what they deserve.

I have stated THREE TIMES already that I have alts, friends and slaves who all mine perfectly well and have not suffered ganks in MONTHS and yet you refuse to even ackowledge this fact.
Couldn't you take her as a trainee slave and teach her?

Btw, wb crazy woman, I missed you (a bit).

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!