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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#1481 - 2014-07-07 22:01:21 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Organic Lager wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Kal Murmur wrote:
It's amusing though that the accuracy of the data only started being challenged once it showed a conclusion contrary to the one people were hoping for.


What's amusing to me is that you think there were less than six hundred suicide ganks for the entire year of 2009. That disqualifies your entire set of data by itself.


Even if you drop out anything earlier then 2012 do to unreliability there is still a huge trend upwards with each year doubling its predecessor.

Edit: 2014 is actually on pace to triple 2013


No its not.

on average 6 freighters are ganked per day out of tens of thousands of trips. CCP have themselves said that miner ganking has never been lower. Ganking as a whole has dropped massivly from the days of M0o.


It will never be enough for them. Not until ganking in Highsec becomes impossible, or against the EULA, or some such nonsense.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#1482 - 2014-07-07 22:13:13 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

on average 6 freighters are ganked per day out of tens of thousands of trips. CCP have themselves said that miner ganking has never been lower. Ganking as a whole has dropped massivly from the days of M0o.


If it was anybody but you that said that...

But since you are one of the forum personalities most well known for just pulling 'facts' out of your ass, I'll just ignore it.

Mr Epeen Cool
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1483 - 2014-07-07 22:17:48 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

on average 6 freighters are ganked per day out of tens of thousands of trips. CCP have themselves said that miner ganking has never been lower. Ganking as a whole has dropped massivly from the days of M0o.


If it was anybody but you that said that...

But since you are one of the forum personalities most well known for just pulling 'facts' out of your ass, I'll just ignore it.

Mr Epeen Cool


I never make up bullshit. Feel free to go check up on what I said.
Aischa Montagne
Blut-Klauen-Clan
#1484 - 2014-07-07 22:25:45 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


I never make up bullshit. Feel free to go check up on what I said.


This sentences usually mean that Mr Epeen is right. If you realy want to prove your righteouses you should quote and reference your source and not waste other peoples times.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1485 - 2014-07-07 22:29:56 UTC
Aischa Montagne wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


I never make up bullshit. Feel free to go check up on what I said.


This sentences usually mean that Mr Epeen is right. If you realy want to prove your righteouses you should quote and reference your source and not waste other peoples times.


Or, the kind of people who pedantically claim that ganking is an epidemic could provide an iota of proof to begin with.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1486 - 2014-07-07 22:36:15 UTC
Kal Murmur wrote:
Tippia wrote:
What you're seeing is people being forced into using more and more small ships as it becomes more and more difficult to get a kill. Oh, and if you think for a second that only 1750 ganks were attempted in 2012, you need to have your head examined, so that shows how much the data is worth…


Ah so we've moved from 'Show me the data!' to 'The data is obviously wrong!'. Ok then..


The data isn't wrong, your interpretation of the data is wrong.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1487 - 2014-07-07 22:39:06 UTC
Aischa Montagne wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


I never make up bullshit. Feel free to go check up on what I said.


This sentences usually mean that Mr Epeen is right. If you realy want to prove your righteouses you should quote and reference your source and not waste other peoples times.


You have access to evekills records, go look up ganked freighters. You can find CCPs statements easy enough and M0o were the first professional pirates back in 2003.

Fact is that ganking has never been lower than today.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1488 - 2014-07-07 22:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
baltec1 wrote:
Aischa Montagne wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


I never make up bullshit. Feel free to go check up on what I said.


This sentences usually mean that Mr Epeen is right. If you realy want to prove your righteouses you should quote and reference your source and not waste other peoples times.


You have access to evekills records, go look up ganked freighters. You can find CCPs statements easy enough and M0o were the first professional pirates back in 2003.

Fact is that ganking has never been lower than today.


Remember when we ganked 500b worth of freighters in a single day? Man I miss those days, pretty sure that was back in 2012. That's like half of the damage Gevlon hasn't actually caused to goons in a single day with about 10 guys.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1489 - 2014-07-07 22:52:06 UTC
Also why is it that even though the rate of ganking has receded, the rate of whining about ganking has increased?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1490 - 2014-07-07 22:53:00 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Also why is it that even though the rate of ganking has receded, the rate of whining about ganking has increased?


Because entitlement does not act in accordance with facts.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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Best Meltdown Ever.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1491 - 2014-07-07 23:11:51 UTC
More ganks would be better for the game.


If you're competent, you don't get ganked in highsec (with extremely rare exceptions).

If you're incompetent, you may get ganked.


CCP tweaking CONCORD and industrial ships' tanks just results in more or less incompetency being punished.

So, more ganks --> incompetency is spotted, education ensues --> New Eden is a better place.

Less ganks --> some incompetency gets away, people never learn to fly properly --> so sad.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1492 - 2014-07-07 23:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
More ganks would be better for the game.


This can be arranged. Which group of players would you like to see targetted next? Mind you we're already targetting basically everyone, but I can offer an extra incentive in the form of bounties to have people focus on a particular group more.

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Gavin Dax
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1493 - 2014-07-07 23:17:23 UTC
Why does the frequency of ganking matter exactly? Should it not be the individual circumstances of the gank that are balanced?

I would think that if you are one of the people who gets ganked, you don't really care about how rare it is. If you get ganked in a freighter with reinforced bulkheads and nothing in your cargo, and still lose the ISK war to pirates in *high security space*, well that just seems wrong. It seems to be what the OP was about anyway. And no, it doesn't make sense to have to scout your empty freighter through HS. It's mechanics like that that drive people away from the game (i.e. "Alts Online"). If you get killed in scenarios like this you should at least win the ISK war.
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1494 - 2014-07-07 23:22:42 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
More ganks would be better for the game.


This can be arranged. Which group of players would you like to see targetted next? Mind you we're already targetting basically everyone, but I can offer an extra incentive in the form of bounties to have people focus on a particular group more.
Well, I usually try to do my own work.. but since you asked... incursion runners! Them blingy boats being wasted on red crosses is an abomination, imho. Like a Lambo driving around in a parking lot.

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Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1495 - 2014-07-07 23:26:11 UTC
Gavin Dax wrote:
Why does the frequency of ganking matter exactly? Should it not be the individual circumstances of the gank that are balanced?

I would think that if you are one of the people who gets ganked, you don't really care about how rare it is. If you get ganked in a freighter with reinforced bulkheads and nothing in your cargo, and still lose the ISK war to pirates in *high security space*, well that just seems wrong. It seems to be what the OP was about anyway. And no, it doesn't make sense to have to scout your empty freighter through HS. It's mechanics like that that drive people away from the game (i.e. "Alts Online"). If you get killed in scenarios like this you should at least win the ISK war.
Yes, highsec is CCP's favorite troll.

If they were honest, they'd call it 'medium security space'. But hey, they enjoy tears too, I guess.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1496 - 2014-07-07 23:38:27 UTC
Gavin Dax wrote:
Why does the frequency of ganking matter exactly? Should it not be the individual circumstances of the gank that are balanced?

I would think that if you are one of the people who gets ganked, you don't really care about how rare it is. If you get ganked in a freighter with reinforced bulkheads and nothing in your cargo, and still lose the ISK war to pirates in *high security space*, well that just seems wrong. It seems to be what the OP was about anyway. And no, it doesn't make sense to have to scout your empty freighter through HS. It's mechanics like that that drive people away from the game (i.e. "Alts Online"). If you get killed in scenarios like this you should at least win the ISK war.


You don't need alts to scout your freighter through highsec. Simply make 1 friend. Is making 1 friend too hard?

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1497 - 2014-07-07 23:56:50 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
More ganks would be better for the game.


This can be arranged. Which group of players would you like to see targetted next? Mind you we're already targetting basically everyone, but I can offer an extra incentive in the form of bounties to have people focus on a particular group more.
Well, I usually try to do my own work.. but since you asked... incursion runners! Them blingy boats being wasted on red crosses is an abomination, imho. Like a Lambo driving around in a parking lot.



Are you suggesting people should use blingy boats for PvP ?
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#1498 - 2014-07-07 23:58:52 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
More ganks would be better for the game.


This can be arranged. Which group of players would you like to see targetted next? Mind you we're already targetting basically everyone, but I can offer an extra incentive in the form of bounties to have people focus on a particular group more.



Since there doesn't seem to be a war coming this summer, how about we Burn Jita for 2 months straight? Gotta spend that rental income on something, and I think reminding the noisiest carebears what a true ganking epidemic looks like would be worthwhile.

Just promise me you won't warn FCON because their tears are the sweetest.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1499 - 2014-07-08 00:07:20 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:

Are you suggesting people should use blingy boats for PvP ?


Don't be deliberately obtuse. He's suggesting that they should die once in a while in between farming for billions upon billions of free money.

I agree with him, incursion runners are amongst the most egregious when it comes to abusing the dec dodge exploit as well.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1500 - 2014-07-08 00:10:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mallak Azaria
Arkady Romanov wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
More ganks would be better for the game.


This can be arranged. Which group of players would you like to see targetted next? Mind you we're already targetting basically everyone, but I can offer an extra incentive in the form of bounties to have people focus on a particular group more.



Since there doesn't seem to be a war coming this summer, how about we Burn Jita for 2 months straight? Gotta spend that rental income on something, and I think reminding the noisiest carebears what a true ganking epidemic looks like would be worthwhile.

Just promise me you won't warn FCON because their tears are the sweetest.


We have something in the works. I can't tell you exactly what it is, but it is a Burn event & there will be rage.
BJ2014 showed that we can give renter alliances such as FCON 3 months warning & they'll still roll around on their neutral freighter thinking they're immune to ganks. Something about renter entitlement.

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