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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1281 - 2014-07-05 06:15:46 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
baltec1 wrote:

And?

We have tens of thousands of alts for supplying nullsec to avoid wardecs too.


... and we need to quit talking like there are meaningful consequences for ganking in highsec. There are none.




Aside from the fact that at -10 you are open to attack from everyone, gate and station guns open fire on you and cannot stay in any place longer then 30 seconds or have the faction navy warp in and kill you.


Tell us how everyone can attack them while they sit in 100% safe stations while their high security alts do all the important work? Lol

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1282 - 2014-07-05 06:18:10 UTC
Sentamon wrote:


Tell us how everyone can attack them while they sit in 100% safe stations while their high security alts do all the important work? Lol


Remind us again how you gank people without undocking.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1283 - 2014-07-05 06:18:56 UTC
Sentamon wrote:

Tell us how everyone can attack them while they sit in 100% safe stations while their high security alts do all the important work? Lol


Ummm, using alts to avoid combat or bad situations for another character is like - man, that's not a "ganking" thing - that's like - a welcome to EVE sort of thing.

What's the solution? Ban alts? Somehow I don't think CCP is going to go down that road.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1284 - 2014-07-05 06:19:07 UTC
Sentamon wrote:

Tell us how everyone can attack them while they sit in 100% safe stations while their high security alts do all the important work? Lol


Of course they sit in stations, the 100% chance of faction police prevents anything else. Just like every other boring, binary, immersion breaking magic space police mechanic, it just cuts out real player interaction to handhold the crybabies.

The point, by the way, is that you are free to attack them, without any consequences to you I might add, when they are flying from gate to gate, or on their way to a gank, or in the middle of a gank to spoil it.

That is not "zero consequences". That's just consequences that other players fail to visit on them.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1285 - 2014-07-05 06:19:56 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Sentamon wrote:


Tell us how everyone can attack them while they sit in 100% safe stations while their high security alts do all the important work? Lol


Remind us again how you gank people without undocking.


I tend to just sit in station and offer to double their ISK if they present evidence of self-destruction. It's super effective xD
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1286 - 2014-07-05 06:21:04 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
All the important parts of a gank are done with alts and with no consequences at all. (Equipping, Scouting, Scanning, Bumping). The last and final part is elementary.

i don't like this much, either. i don't like eve online's alternate characters at all

of course, i use alt characters as well, for warpins, hauling and anonymous business. and i see absolutely no reason to criticise gankers over any other playstyle for using alternate characters, since almost everyone uses them
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1287 - 2014-07-05 06:21:44 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:

I'm sorry you don't see any consequences - but as one who has done a gank or two in his time, I can assure you the amount of time and ISK that would be required for me to return to the state before I ever ganked anything would be amazing. As in, tens of billions of ISK and many many many hours of effort.


Why would you want to do something stupid like that? You can use alts if you need something, like a shopping trip to Jita for example, and if you want to farm ISK then low/null and w-holes are far superior to highsec in every way.


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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1288 - 2014-07-05 06:22:05 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Of course they sit in stations, the 100% chance of faction police prevents anything else. Just like every other boring, binary, immersion breaking magic space police mechanic, it just cuts out real player interaction to handhold the crybabies.

The point, by the way, is that you are free to attack them, without any consequences to you I might add, when they are flying from gate to gate, or on their way to a gank, or in the middle of a gank to spoil it.

That is not "zero consequences". That's just consequences that other players fail to visit on them.



This is so well said and I am hitting the like button very hard while throwing cash at the screen.

As usual: CCP gives the players the tools, players refuse to use the tools, then cry for changes to the game to prevent them from having to bother to use the tools in the first place.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1289 - 2014-07-05 06:24:01 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:

As usual: CCP gives the players the tools, players refuse to use the tools, then cry for changes to the game to prevent them from having to bother to use the tools in the first place.


Yep. They don't need more tools, they just need to start using the bevy of tools they already have.

And I would be remiss if I didn't say that someone in an NPC corp calling out gankers for using alts is hilariously hypocritical.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#1290 - 2014-07-05 06:25:29 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Why would you want to do something stupid like that? You can use alts if you need something, like a shopping trip to Jita for example, and if you want to farm ISK then low/null and w-holes are far superior to highsec in every way.

You realise, of course, that this absolute need to use alts only proves that there are consequences — very meaningful ones — to ganking your way all the way to -10.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1291 - 2014-07-05 06:26:57 UTC
Sentamon wrote:

Why would you want to do something stupid like that? You can use alts if you need something, like a shopping trip to Jita for example, and if you want to farm ISK then low/null and w-holes are far superior to highsec in every way.


Yes, I can just use alts if I need a shopping trip - but this character who has ganked like, so many things is stuck in that role due to the consequences of my actions. The only choice I have if I wanted to go down a different road would involve many many hours and tons of cash making up for my actions. You stated there were no consequences for ganking - and that is totally untrue.

Plus, I have a hoard of angry AFK miners and white-knights who also provide some consequence for my actions. I mean sure, they are mostly AFK miners and "anti-gankers" - which means the chance of them being effective in any way is very small, but once in a great while I meet one who has a basic grasp of game mechanics. It's very rare, but it happens.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1292 - 2014-07-05 06:27:34 UTC
Sentamon wrote:


Why would you want to do something stupid like that? You can use alts if you need something, like a shopping trip to Jita for example, and if you want to farm ISK then low/null and w-holes are far superior to highsec in every way.




Actually we have figured out how to earn null anom level income from high sec level 3 missions.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1293 - 2014-07-05 06:28:10 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
And I would be remiss if I didn't say that someone in an NPC corp calling out gankers for using alts is hilariously hypocritical.

it's a grr goons/nullsec/gankers troll alt

turns up in every thread like this vOv
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#1294 - 2014-07-05 06:28:32 UTC
Sentamon wrote:


Tell us how everyone can attack them while they sit in 100% safe stations while their high security alts do all the important work? Lol


I detest Ganking, but the consequences are there for everyone to see. Just because you are to busy mining your ISK to be bothered to try and stop them, doesn't mean they don't exist.

Hell they are not even hard to find. Want to make a difference? then go after them.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1295 - 2014-07-05 06:30:45 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:

of course, i use alt characters as well, for warpins, hauling and anonymous business. and i see absolutely no reason to criticise gankers over any other playstyle for using alternate characters, since almost everyone uses them


I'm not criticizing them, just pointing the fatal flaws in crimewatch and lack of consequences due to alts. As a matter of fact I encourage everyone to keep an alt around and when the ganker fleet undocks to kill they freighter they were bumping for several minutes (with zero consequece), shoot it and summon CONCORD early. D-Scan makes it really easy to see the fleet on the way.

Dumb mechanics deserve another. Blink

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1296 - 2014-07-05 06:34:39 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:

of course, i use alt characters as well, for warpins, hauling and anonymous business. and i see absolutely no reason to criticise gankers over any other playstyle for using alternate characters, since almost everyone uses them


I'm not criticizing them, just pointing the fatal flaws in crimewatch and lack of consequences due to alts. As a matter of fact I encourage everyone to keep an alt around and when the ganker fleet undocks to kill they freighter they were bumping for several minutes (with zero consequece), shoot it and summon CONCORD early. D-Scan makes it really easy to see the fleet on the way.

Dumb mechanics deserve another. Blink

that's why i don't like alternate characters generally, they avoid player consequences as well as mechanical

the advice is good but i don't imagine many will accept it
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1297 - 2014-07-05 06:37:26 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
that's why i don't like alternate characters generally, they avoid player consequences as well as mechanical

on the other hand, anon alts are a very important part of the metagame that many people love eve online for vOv
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1298 - 2014-07-05 06:42:32 UTC
Sentamon wrote:

I'm not criticizing them, just pointing the fatal flaws in crimewatch and lack of consequences due to alts. As a matter of fact I encourage everyone to keep an alt around and when the ganker fleet undocks to kill they freighter they were bumping for several minutes (with zero consequece), shoot it and summon CONCORD early. D-Scan makes it really easy to see the fleet on the way.

Dumb mechanics deserve another. Blink


You've missed the part where all of these alts need to be there BEFORE the gank fleet lands, will be seen by the bumper, and measures will be taken to nullify this as a valid strategy. D-scan works both ways :P

Stop expecting CONCORD to do your work for you. Fit some falcons, some high-dps snipers, get a fleet of your own of players who are actually at the keyboard in the first place - stop some ganks. The simple fact that you expect a herd of alts in rookie ships to be a valid counter to players with superior numbers in superior ships who have bothered to even train a single skill point make me wonder if we are even playing the same game here.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#1299 - 2014-07-05 06:51:23 UTC
[Jediwave] These aren't the consequences you're looking for. [/Jediwave]

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1300 - 2014-07-05 06:53:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:

Stop expecting CONCORD to do your work for you.


Sure, right after CONCORD stops protecting your bumbers and ship scanners. And right after you quit moving CONCORD to give yourself more gank time. Deal? Blink

Since you're acting all pro-pvp you'll support suspect flags on people scanning ships and people bumping at high speeds. Bear

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