EVE General Discussion

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No choice then... (SFW)

Logi, ECM, blap boats.

Scout, webbing frig, ECM cruiser if you want to overdo it.

Scout is probably more than enough.

I might be missing something but I don't know any freighter pilots with deep pockets. They are extremely vulnerable and have to carry around large isk value worth of cargo for what is usually single digit margins. They take large risk for something that takes huge amounts of time and pays out little. I can make much more isk per hour doing pretty much anything else other than flying a frieghter and if I had to pay 5 other pilots what their time was worth it would be so far in the negative that it would be impossible. Mind you I'm not crying about this because I don't really haul **** around in frieghters much and if I do it's mostly just my own stuff that I need moved. I'm just pointing out that for me as things are now I don't haul because it's too much risk and too little isk. If haulers had to hire escorts in high sec I'm sure others would find better ways to make isk as well. That's not to mention that there is not much that other pilots can do to help guard against a gank.

Agree, I'd never invest SP and ISK to fly a freighter in highsec. I leave it to the pros. Red Frog is cheap, they almost never get ganked, and I assume they make a good profit. I also bet they don't use 5 escort pilots. Decent intel is all they need.

That is the whole point though.

At what point are already balanced and working game mechanics being destroyed by the developers of the game, because some people are not willing to put forth the effort to counter something.

It's like the threads about Isboxing gankers. I simply want to grab the person complaining and scream at the top of my lungs...

"You are allowed to use the same thing. So Isbox a logi fleet."

Or, y'know, simply cut transport out of the equation for yourself altogether, and use one of the freighting services. I have had Red Frog expenses cut out of my "profit" for awhile now. Because I am simply too lazy to freight anything. That and I literally hate flying anything bigger than a cruiser, post warp change. And I am certain they would enjoy your business. After all, they are simply trying to make isk, just like everyone else.

It's simple concepts such as these, and inability to grasp them, that make threads like this reach "threadnaught" status.

More than expecting a rough ride... been getting it from players and CCP.

Doesn't really bother me, though.

This November, I'll be deciding whether to stay in the game. I know there are many who will want me out because they can't stand the thought of non-PvP.

CCP agrees with that attitude. They just don't think enough people are leaving EvE for other games. They may be right, but it's not due to the PvP.

EvE still has some of the largest non-PvP content in the gaming industry. The other gaming companies are catching on, though.

I've been studying under scholarship for degrees in Network Security and Digital Forensics for three years and will be graduating in December. THAT is why I'm still playing EvE. After I graduate, I very likely will find non-violent means of recreation and can leave the catering to ganking to CCP.

A logi will outright nullify the damage output of 1–2 ships, forcing them to bring that many more… which they must have done beforehand, or the gank outright fails.
Scouts will tell you where the gankers are; where stuff has happened in the recent past; where people are currently out of play because they are waiting for their timers to tick down.
Ewar and firepower will nullify ships, again forcing them to have brought more than they needed.
The web trick has not changed — it works as well as ever, if not better since you can travel-fit your freighters now.

More to the point, if they see you flying alongside these, you have now become a hard target. Or, put another way “not worth-while”. They'll pick someone else.

No, I'm not neglecting it. I'm counting on it — or, more accurately, I'm accounting for what's needed for them to still be effective. You're neglecting the fact that they can't just conjure up two or more ships out of thin air at will when it turns out that what they brought isn't enough. Any ship you nullify massively increases the chance of the gank failing. Yes, they can try to counter that by bringing more from the get-go, but that means they will not be able to drum up a working gank fleet as often, making your life safer regardless.

That Hurricane I listed should fairly reliably nullify 3–4 ships on its own (but the gankers will have to chime in on the viability of it), and boost the freighter to where 2–3 more ships are needed to begin with. And that's for one of them. Where will they find the 7 extra ships and the people who can be arsed to fly them just to counter your singular presence?

Do you mean -10.0 gankers?

Or even positive sec status alts that can be safely locked in advance, and then either ECM'd or Alpha'd 1 second after they go GCC?

Are you sure you know the game mechanics?