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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#961 - 2014-06-26 02:04:43 UTC
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:

Not for miners. And that's taking drones into account, which gankers do when they consider attacking miners.


That's the choice you make. That's the tradeoff of being the only ship in the game that can produce resources (and thus income) with absolutely zero danger to themselves from the game while doing so.

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Gankers attack miners knowing almost exactly what they need to kill the miner.


Mostly because ya'll don't bother doing anything about being ship scanned several times with 5 flashies in local. Your predicament is entirely your own doing.

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What I think is needed is a way miners can spring a trap and ambush the unwary ganker (who thinks he has a easy killmail coming).


The existing mechanics have several ways to do this. You just want a way to do it without ever having to get out of a mining barge, which honestly is absurd. Even T3 cruisers are not one size fits all, and of any ship class, mining barge is the least deserving of this.



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Note even three of this rig does not make the venture OP, but it does gives the Venture a chance to shoot back. It would be especially useful on the prospect since the prospect doesn't even have the venture's drone bay. Note also I did not include more drone use.


The Venture can already fit guns. Only barges cannot, that is their tradeoff for getting Strip Mining Modules.

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Pix Severus
Empty You
#962 - 2014-06-26 02:29:11 UTC
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PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#963 - 2014-06-26 02:31:45 UTC
Why is this thread still going? Freighter ganking is a time honored tradition in eve. With Koronos, freighters can choose to be tankier than ever before. With 3 reinforced bulkheads, an obelisk can push 367k ehp. With 3 ANPs an ark can have 534k ehp. With 3 corpi c-type ANPs (totaling ~90 mil) and a high grade slave set an Ark can can push 764k ehp.

You have the option to become the tankiest thing in high sec. It's your fault, and your fault alone if you choose to ignore those options.
412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#964 - 2014-06-26 05:01:32 UTC
This thread takes me back to when I used solo gank freighters in my thrasher.

Those were the days...

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loyalanon
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#965 - 2014-06-26 05:04:01 UTC
412nv Yaken wrote:
This thread takes me back to when I used solo gank freighters in my thrasher.

Those were the days...


Good Times all round.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#966 - 2014-06-26 10:01:48 UTC
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
What I think is needed is a way miners can spring a trap and ambush the unwary ganker (who thinks he has a easy killmail coming).


The tools to do this already exist. You not being able to comprehend this does not make it false.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#967 - 2014-06-26 10:03:29 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
Unlike most people, I find it relaxxing.


I also used to find mining relaxing when I was on drugs.


I've done a lot of drugs and still cannot find the right combo to make mining relaxing or in any way enjoyable. Please advise recommended substances and amounts.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#968 - 2014-06-26 10:05:24 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:
Unlike most people, I find it relaxxing.


I also used to find mining relaxing when I was on drugs.


I've done a lot of drugs and still cannot find the right combo to make mining relaxing or in any way enjoyable. Please advise recommended substances and amounts.


Good weed

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#969 - 2014-06-26 10:10:14 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
[quote=Aalysia Valkeiper]

Now, give me a manner I can arm my miners and industrials and turn the tables on the immature idiots who don't want a fight... let's just say I could definately change to a PvPer.


Your wish has already been granted, and you have every single tool you would ever need and many ways of turning the tables on a ganker.

However, your use of "immature idiot" to describe another player who you don't even know is probably going to be a huge obstacle you will need to overcome first.

#ProTip - Stop making assumptions about the person behind the keyboard simply for playing the game in a way that they enjoy. I don't care if you mine, gank, mission, factional war, or if you sit in Dodoxie and develop an elaborate multi level marketing scheme with the end goal of collecting 15,000 Fedos so you can load them into a hauler and crash into the sun while discussing bacon in local - if you are having fun, you're winning and doing it right.

The whole calling people idiots and making assumptions about their maturity due to what they think is fun thing is like - getting so old and overplayed. It's really falling out of style.

If you would like multiple examples of times that miners have turned the tables on me and totally owned me, I'm happy to share.

#OneMoarProTip - Stop thinking of mining ships as "unarmed" or "defenseless" - you are just so very very wrong on so many levels when you make this claim.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#970 - 2014-06-26 10:11:40 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:


Now, give me a manner I can arm my miners and industrials and turn the tables on the immature idiot ambushers who don't want a fight... let's just say I could definately change to a PvPer.


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Drop the EM ward and go Kinetic. 99% of every gank these days is from a catalyst, and KIN/THERM is king. Omni tank is not even needed.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#971 - 2014-06-26 10:23:15 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:

Drop the EM ward and go Kinetic. 99% of every gank these days is from a catalyst, and KIN/THERM is king. Omni tank is not even needed.


But then you could gank it with Coercers far more easily. Don't scoff, it can totally happen.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#972 - 2014-06-26 10:23:52 UTC
Aalysia Valkeiper wrote:

Give me an armed miner and I will probably be in low waiting for that unprepared ganker. Until then, don't expect me to leave high sec.



Feature already exists. You just need to stop thinking of "armed" to only mean "guns that do damage" and think of the many many modules that are used in attacking someone. There's more then just turrets. And, I hate to say it - but if you don't consider your drones as a weapon platform and realize what they can do, you're really not thinking outside of the box at all.

Also, don't expect a single solo miner to be able to drop an attacker who knows what he is doing in low sec - even thought it is quite possible. Think about it like this - mining ships are factory built to be good at mining. With creative fitting and outside of the box thinking you can turn it into something that can deal some damage in a firefight and be able to mitigate incoming damage, but it's not a combat ship. It's a mining ship!

Eve is not a solo game - want to mine in low and turn the tables on some people who will show up to explode that mining ship? Get some friends, come up with some plans, try them out, learn from failure or success, and have fun.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#973 - 2014-06-26 10:31:08 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:

Drop the EM ward and go Kinetic. 99% of every gank these days is from a catalyst, and KIN/THERM is king. Omni tank is not even needed.


But then you could gank it with Coercers far more easily. Don't scoff, it can totally happen.


That's a thing?

How much DPS with max related skills can you get out of one? It's not nearly on par with a Tech II Catalyst, right? (With all skills that affect DPS in a cat to level 5 and about 1.4 billion in implants can I get 768 DPS, if Pyfa is to be trusted)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#974 - 2014-06-26 11:39:20 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:


Drop the EM ward and go Kinetic. 99% of every gank these days is from a catalyst, and KIN/THERM is king. Omni tank is not even needed.


If you tank for hybrids then you will get 157k EHP.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#975 - 2014-06-26 11:49:01 UTC
Err, a lot of the miners here are missing something.

You don't have to tank everyone in the cfc,
You just have to tank more than the guy next to you in the beltBlink

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#976 - 2014-06-26 12:09:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
What you wrote:

PotatoOverdose wrote:
Why is this thread still going? Freighter ganking is a time honored tradition in eve. With Koronos, freighters can choose to be tankier than ever before. With 3 reinforced bulkheads, an obelisk can push 367k ehp. With 3 ANPs an ark can have 534k ehp. With 3 corpi c-type ANPs (totaling ~90 mil) and a high grade slave set an Ark can can push 764k ehp.

You have the option to become the tankiest thing in high sec. It's your fault, and your fault alone if you choose to ignore those options.


What they saw:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#977 - 2014-06-26 12:33:01 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:

What they saw
PotatoOverdose wrote:
wahh wahh wahh waa EFFORT wah THINKING wahhhhha wahhhh



My response.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#978 - 2014-06-26 12:35:06 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:

Drop the EM ward and go Kinetic. 99% of every gank these days is from a catalyst, and KIN/THERM is king. Omni tank is not even needed.


But then you could gank it with Coercers far more easily. Don't scoff, it can totally happen.


That's a thing?

How much DPS with max related skills can you get out of one? It's not nearly on par with a Tech II Catalyst, right? (With all skills that affect DPS in a cat to level 5 and about 1.4 billion in implants can I get 768 DPS, if Pyfa is to be trusted)


It can never be as effective on paper as a catalyst. But if they neglect to tank for EM, it can be far more effective in actual combat.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#979 - 2014-06-26 12:35:53 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


It can never be as effective on paper as a catalyst. But if they neglect to tank for EM, it can be far more effective in actual combat.


You know, I might have to dump some SP down that road just for kicks and grins :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#980 - 2014-06-26 12:37:40 UTC
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


It can never be as effective on paper as a catalyst. But if they neglect to tank for EM, it can be far more effective in actual combat.


You know, I might have to dump some SP down that road just for kicks and grins :)


In a world where everyone tanks kin/therm...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.