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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3801 - 2014-09-03 15:52:48 UTC
Supremacyy wrote:
It's sad but pilots like Veers want to see these ships destroyed so they can get their 15 minutes of fame.

My heart breaks a little each time I have to decommission a freighter or a mining barge because the owner refused to obey the laws of highsec. Please stop listening to Veers and get your permit today.

Remember even with your permit you must obey the law or it will be revoked. Do not worry though laws are clearly spelled out so their is no confusion. We can work together to make highsec a better place.


I fail to see the connection between ships getting destroyed and me getting famous. I actually declined a free "mining permit."
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3802 - 2014-09-03 15:54:25 UTC
IIshira wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up

If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together.


When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3803 - 2014-09-03 15:56:21 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec.

Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits"

Come on guys get your story straight.



It's like watching one of those late-night infomercials. You know the one, the annoying dude in the loud suit yelling at you that the US Government just wants to GIVE you all this free money. Ganking is just like that, see!

It's just so easy, risk-free, simple, etc. You just go...and gank freighters in highsec. Just do it. Easy money! So easy CCP should nerf it!

It's so easy nobody else is doing it because reasons.


Well CODE is doing it at a loss to make people cry. Many gankers are in fact doing it at a significant gail - check out how PASTA operates. Obviously there are only so many +EV ganks, and there is a crowd-out effect. What is new is CODE blowing up empty ships in major -EV fashion for giggles.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3804 - 2014-09-03 15:57:26 UTC
Thomas Mayaki wrote:
To fix the suicide ganking problem CCP needs desparately to fix nullsec. Currently the only point to nullsec is that it is an isk printing machine enabling bored null sec pilots to come to highsec for what little fun they have left in this game. It is a bit sad really.


This is 100% true - during my 2 hour TS session with CODE a lot of them admitted to being nullsec alts, and the implication was that the boredom of nullsec was making them look for new content in highsec.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#3805 - 2014-09-03 15:58:25 UTC
oh god, he's awake again.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3806 - 2014-09-03 15:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Veers Belvar wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up

If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together.


When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset.

yeah like how all those competitive sports athletes keep demanding the rules are changed so that their opponents have to let them win
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3807 - 2014-09-03 16:01:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up

If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together.


When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset.

yeah like how all those competitive sports athletes keep demanding the rules are changed so that their opponents have to let them win

on account of all the mental breakdowns they're suffering for having to earn a victory fairly

e: i am -the worst- at clicking edit sorry
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3808 - 2014-09-03 16:01:20 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Well CODE is doing it at a loss to make people cry.
Do you have any proof of this?

Quote:
When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset.
Not if you lived on PieceSnap lane in PuzzleBreak-town, famous across the entire world for its gleefully antagonistic stance against puzzles, where it is considered bad manners to not set fire to your neighbour's puzzle to welcome them into the community.

Of course, anyone who doesn't share this culture was probably a bit silly for choosing to move there.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3809 - 2014-09-03 16:02:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
oh god, he's awake again.

this is tame, do you remember this dirtbird?

Tippia wrote:


Quote:
When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset.
Not if you lived on PieceSnap lane in PuzzleBreak-town, famous across the entire world for its gleefully antagonistic stance against puzzles, where it is considered bad manners to not set fire to your neighbour's puzzle to welcome them into the community.

Of course, anyone who doesn't share this culture was probably a bit silly for choosing to move there.

this place sounds amazing *crosses fingers* please don't be a fictitious place

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3810 - 2014-09-03 16:02:33 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up

If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together.


When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset.

yeah like how all those competitive sports athletes keep demanding the rules are changed so that their opponents have to let them win


Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing. Having someone come and destroy your hard work just to make you miserable is quite another.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3811 - 2014-09-03 16:05:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing.
And losing a PvP encounter is the exact same thing.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#3812 - 2014-09-03 16:05:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Omar Alharazaad
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
oh god, he's awake again.

this is tame, do you remember this dirtbird?

It's not so much that he's wrong that bothers me. I can accept wrong. It's that he's so damned prolific in his wrongness that he's shitting up the forums and burying all sensible debate with the unrelenting torrents of his wrongness. It's simply unfair to those who can differentiate their heads from a hole in the ground... their words are being buried by the relentless torrent of dreck.

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3813 - 2014-09-03 16:06:12 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing.
And losing a PvP encounter is the exact same thing.


Sure...when its a competition, and the winner actually benefits in winning. Blowing up empty ships, pods, etc....Just to cause grief does not benefit the part doing the killing.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3814 - 2014-09-03 16:07:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Veers Belvar wrote:


Not seeing the analogy...losing a competition is one thing. Having someone come and destroy your hard work just to make you miserable is quite another.

unfortunately for your stance , that's one of the cornerstones of eve game play design, and a principle ccp take to heart

Veers Belvar wrote:

Sure...when its a competition, and the winner actually benefits in winning. Blowing up empty ships, pods, etc....Just to cause grief does not benefit the part doing the killing.

it very much does .

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3815 - 2014-09-03 16:07:53 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Sure...when its a competition
…which it always is in a PvP game such as EVE.
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3816 - 2014-09-03 16:08:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
What is new is CODE blowing up empty ships in major -EV fashion for giggles.


People have found a new way to have fun in a game!

HERESY!

Call the FBI! Call CNN! This is much more important than the fappening! The world must know of such horrors!!!
Devils Embrace
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3817 - 2014-09-03 16:09:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec.

Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits"

Come on guys get your story straight.



It's like watching one of those late-night infomercials. You know the one, the annoying dude in the loud suit yelling at you that the US Government just wants to GIVE you all this free money. Ganking is just like that, see!

It's just so easy, risk-free, simple, etc. You just go...and gank freighters in highsec. Just do it. Easy money! So easy CCP should nerf it!

It's so easy nobody else is doing it because reasons.


Well CODE is doing it at a loss to make people cry. Many gankers are in fact doing it at a significant gail - check out how PASTA operates. Obviously there are only so many +EV ganks, and there is a crowd-out effect. What is new is CODE blowing up empty ships in major -EV fashion for giggles.


Look at Loyalanon's K/B and tell me hes operating at a loss..... 2.5 TRILLION DESTROYED and only 133.59 BILLION lost. Thats a positive KB it looks like to me

It's like they usually say about fantasy MMO's and men playing female characters: "If I'm going to spend alot of time watching this character, it might as well have a good looking ass".
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3818 - 2014-09-03 16:11:55 UTC
Devils Embrace wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
IIshira wrote:
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting wrote:
we all know it will predictably just get worse as more people become aware of the insane profits without risk for merely camping a gate in high sec.

Wait the Carebear squad was saying it's not fair that they were blowing up empty freighters, it's not fair that CODE is only doing this for griefing blah blah blah and now you're saying that there's "insane profits"

Come on guys get your story straight.



It's like watching one of those late-night infomercials. You know the one, the annoying dude in the loud suit yelling at you that the US Government just wants to GIVE you all this free money. Ganking is just like that, see!

It's just so easy, risk-free, simple, etc. You just go...and gank freighters in highsec. Just do it. Easy money! So easy CCP should nerf it!

It's so easy nobody else is doing it because reasons.


Well CODE is doing it at a loss to make people cry. Many gankers are in fact doing it at a significant gail - check out how PASTA operates. Obviously there are only so many +EV ganks, and there is a crowd-out effect. What is new is CODE blowing up empty ships in major -EV fashion for giggles.


Look at Loyalanon's K/B and tell me hes operating at a loss..... 2.5 TRILLION DESTROYED and only 133.59 BILLION lost. Thats a positive KB it looks like to me


Destroyed is the not the same as Dropped.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3819 - 2014-09-03 16:12:11 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
IIshira wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
A lot of highsec players are poor, are not looking for PvP, and are emotionally hurt when someone comes and blows their stuff up

If you're "emotionally hurt" in RL because someone destroyed your pixels you need to stop playing video games all together.


When people invest a significant amount of time/energy in an activity, they tend to react to someone willfully destroying their, whether in pixel for or in RL. If you would spend weeks putting together a puzzle, or drawing a painting, and someone would come and destroy it, you would obviously be upset.

The problem with this analogy is Eve is a game where blowing up other players ships is encouraged and part of the gameplay.

Again you're comparing RL things with in game pixels. If you're getting emotionally attached to pixels please get help because you have a problem. I've seen people ruin their lives with game addiction. Please don't be afraid to admit you need help. Pride is one thing but don't ruin your life over it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#3820 - 2014-09-03 16:12:24 UTC
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Omar Alharazaad wrote:
oh god, he's awake again.

this is tame, do you remember this dirtbird?

It's not so much that he's wrong that bothers me. I can accept wrong. It's that he's so damned prolific in his wrongness that he's shitting up the forums and burying all sensible debate with the unrelenting torrents of his wrongness. It's simply unfair to those who can differentiate their heads from a hole in the ground... their words are being buried by the relentless torrent of dreck.

at least these threads arnt so filled with vile accusation and dubious moral rationale that each one is summarily incinerated by the isd,
though they probably should do so with this one,
he will never get it,
he dosent want to

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