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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#3661 - 2014-09-03 03:54:09 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

I think it's fine to force PvP, I support suicide ganking.


Just not when their cargo is empty, right? Or when it's for, at least you think, "no reason"?


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I also happen to think that the police would not take kindly to career -10 sec status suicide gankers hanging out, and would force them out of the system.


And I think that the police should have to be called, not just show up by magic. It's realistic after all.

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Hence why I think highsec should be off limits if your sec status goes too low. Grind it up and be more selective with your ganks.


And I think that it's a poisonous, odious concept at it's core. Nevermind incredibly hypocritical.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3662 - 2014-09-03 03:54:51 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I still want to hear about how it's not okay to force people to PvP, but how it's just fine to try and force people to PvE.

Care to answer that, either of you two hypocrites?


I think it's fine to force PvP, I support suicide ganking. I also happen to think that the police would not take kindly to career -10 sec status suicide gankers hanging out, and would force them out of the system. Hence why I think highsec should be off limits if your sec status goes too low. Grind it up and be more selective with your ganks.


The police do attack -10 pilots, that's why we need to get the freighters off the gate. The faction navy and gate guns rip apart gank ships
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3663 - 2014-09-03 03:57:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I still want to hear about how it's not okay to force people to PvP, but how it's just fine to try and force people to PvE.

Care to answer that, either of you two hypocrites?


I think it's fine to force PvP, I support suicide ganking. I also happen to think that the police would not take kindly to career -10 sec status suicide gankers hanging out, and would force them out of the system. Hence why I think highsec should be off limits if your sec status goes too low. Grind it up and be more selective with your ganks.


The police do attack -10 pilots, that's why we need to get the freighters off the gate. The faction navy and gate guns rip apart gank ships


Depends on the ship, Thrashers tank better than Catas, and a Talos or Brutix with an LSE can tank them for quite a bit.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3664 - 2014-09-03 03:57:03 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


If it wasnt to replicate a warp scram they would just warp off and what would the point be?


They can just warp off as their warp drive is still fully functional. All they need is something in front of their ship to warp to.


Yes, and the Bumping is done so they CANNOT do that. The bumpers push them in a direction where there is nothing to warp to.


So have one person with you in a fast frigate to provide that warp out point. An interceptor can MWD out far enough to warp to in a matter of seconds.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3665 - 2014-09-03 03:57:49 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Depends on the ship, Thrashers tank better than Catas, and a Talos or Brutix with an LSE can tank them for quite a bit.


No gank ship has a tank, they all die fast on a gate.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3666 - 2014-09-03 03:59:40 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I still want to hear about how it's not okay to force people to PvP, but how it's just fine to try and force people to PvE.

Care to answer that, either of you two hypocrites?


I think it's fine to force PvP, I support suicide ganking. I also happen to think that the police would not take kindly to career -10 sec status suicide gankers hanging out, and would force them out of the system. Hence why I think highsec should be off limits if your sec status goes too low. Grind it up and be more selective with your ganks.


The Police don't take kindly to them, and they do try to force them out of the system.

Yet more evidence that you're unaware of basic game mechanics related to the discussion.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3667 - 2014-09-03 04:00:52 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


If it wasnt to replicate a warp scram they would just warp off and what would the point be?


They can just warp off as their warp drive is still fully functional. All they need is something in front of their ship to warp to.


Yes, and the Bumping is done so they CANNOT do that. The bumpers push them in a direction where there is nothing to warp to.


So have one person with you in a fast frigate to provide that warp out point. An interceptor can MWD out far enough to warp to in a matter of seconds.


So have one person with you in a fast frigate with ECM to jam the guy warp scrambling you and then you can both warp off. No need for CONCORD.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3668 - 2014-09-03 04:02:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
If it wasnt to replicate a warp scram they would just warp off and what would the point be?

Why are you lying when you already know the answer?

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Yes, and the Bumping is done so they CANNOT do that.
Why are you lying when you know that what you're saying doesn't work and that it's done for a completely different reason?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3669 - 2014-09-03 04:02:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Depends on the ship, Thrashers tank better than Catas, and a Talos or Brutix with an LSE can tank them for quite a bit.


No gank ship has a tank, they all die fast on a gate.


https://zkillboard.com/kill/40983022/

Seems like with an LSE this could tank guns for a while.
Helena Tiberius Mabata
Doomheim
#3670 - 2014-09-03 04:03:04 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I still want to hear about how it's not okay to force people to PvP, but how it's just fine to try and force people to PvE.

Care to answer that, either of you two hypocrites?


I think it's fine to force PvP, I support suicide ganking. I also happen to think that the police would not take kindly to career -10 sec status suicide gankers hanging out, and would force them out of the system. Hence why I think highsec should be off limits if your sec status goes too low. Grind it up and be more selective with your ganks.


Do you support ganking like you support CODE? We have it on record that you have never ganked, never bought shares in CODE. and acquired ISK from illegal mining! You even refused a permit when it was offered.

Now tell me again how you support ganking when your clearly against ganking on an audio clip?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3671 - 2014-09-03 04:03:43 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I still want to hear about how it's not okay to force people to PvP, but how it's just fine to try and force people to PvE.

Care to answer that, either of you two hypocrites?


I think it's fine to force PvP, I support suicide ganking. I also happen to think that the police would not take kindly to career -10 sec status suicide gankers hanging out, and would force them out of the system. Hence why I think highsec should be off limits if your sec status goes too low. Grind it up and be more selective with your ganks.


The Police don't take kindly to them, and they do try to force them out of the system.

Yet more evidence that you're unaware of basic game mechanics related to the discussion.


Yes, but not quickly enough. They are still able to undock and hit the gank target before the police show up.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3672 - 2014-09-03 04:04:07 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Depends on the ship, Thrashers tank better than Catas, and a Talos or Brutix with an LSE can tank them for quite a bit.


None of those can tank HS gate guns and faction police for anywhere near long enough to perform a gank.

Stop lying.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3673 - 2014-09-03 04:04:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
If it wasnt to replicate a warp scram they would just warp off and what would the point be?

Why are you lying when you already know the answer?

Quote:
Yes, and the Bumping is done so they CANNOT do that.
Why are you lying when you know that what you're saying doesn't work and that it's done for a completely different reason?


Just more lies....if the guy could warp off, bumping would be useless.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3674 - 2014-09-03 04:05:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Depends on the ship, Thrashers tank better than Catas, and a Talos or Brutix with an LSE can tank them for quite a bit.


No gank ship has a tank, they all die fast on a gate.


https://zkillboard.com/kill/40983022/

Seems like with an LSE this could tank guns for a while.


7,800 damage is not "a while."

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3675 - 2014-09-03 04:05:40 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Depends on the ship, Thrashers tank better than Catas, and a Talos or Brutix with an LSE can tank them for quite a bit.


None of those can tank HS gate guns and faction police for anywhere near long enough to perform a gank.

Stop lying.


How fast with a Talos with an LSE go down?

Stop lying.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3676 - 2014-09-03 04:06:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Just more lies.
The question was why? Why do you keep lying. We already know that what you say is just more lies — it's the reasoning behind it that I'm asking for.

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if the guy could warp off, bumping would be useless.
No. Bumping would serve the exact same purpose that bumping has always served. You already know this and you already know what that purpose is. it is not the purpose you keep lying about.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#3677 - 2014-09-03 04:07:14 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Just more lies....if the guy could warp off, bumping would be useless.


Baltec has explained the reason for bumping several times.

I'll try explaining it slowly.

Bumping
is
done
to
move
the
freighter
away
from
the
gate
guns
and
faction
police
that
would
murder
the
hell
out
of
the
gank
fleet
otherwise.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3678 - 2014-09-03 04:07:40 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


So have one person with you in a fast frigate with ECM to jam the guy warp scrambling you and then you can both warp off. No need for CONCORD.


I don't care how you try to twist this, avoiding being bumped is very easy and you are not going to get any action taken against it from CCP. Avoiding bumping is very easy both before it happens and while it is happening.

It is not being used as a way to stop people from warping it is being used to force them away from gate guns and navy police range.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3679 - 2014-09-03 04:07:45 UTC
Helena Tiberius Mabata wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I still want to hear about how it's not okay to force people to PvP, but how it's just fine to try and force people to PvE.

Care to answer that, either of you two hypocrites?


I think it's fine to force PvP, I support suicide ganking. I also happen to think that the police would not take kindly to career -10 sec status suicide gankers hanging out, and would force them out of the system. Hence why I think highsec should be off limits if your sec status goes too low. Grind it up and be more selective with your ganks.


Do you support ganking like you support CODE? We have it on record that you have never ganked, never bought shares in CODE. and acquired ISK from illegal mining! You even refused a permit when it was offered.

Now tell me again how you support ganking when your clearly against ganking on an audio clip?


I have never ganked, and have never bought CODE shares, and I turned down a free "mining permit." I support the concept of suicide ganking because it brings balance to the game and interest to highsec. I personally don't do it because I like to help people, not hurt them. And I don't mine, and hence have not acquired ISK from mining - listen to the audio again.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3680 - 2014-09-03 04:08:33 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


How fast with a Talos with an LSE go down?

Stop lying.


They don't fit ANY tanking mods.