EVE General Discussion

code's killboard provides the information that code sometimes kills ships and sometimes loses ships
the minerbumping dot com website is a comedy blog with links to killboards
your intel channels and complaints from npc forum alts are not authoritative sources
and your personal observations are extremely limited

code's killboard provides the information that code sometimes kills ships and sometimes loses ships
the minerbumping dot com website is a comedy blog with links to killboards
your intel channels and complaints from npc forum alts are not authoritative sources
and your personal observations are extremely limited

perhaps if the information from the killboard was presented alongside wider context in some kind of easy-to-comprehend visual format

I already sourced my conclusions, please look back in the thread. As for why it matters, I think it ties back to the OP of this whole thread, where a player noted that freighter ganks were increasing, and that even empty freighters were being hit. CCP, with its recent freighter changes, seemed to want to give freighter pilots more ability to protect their ships. The fact that even after doing so more of them are going down is definitely something to be noted. While I personally don't fly freighters, and am not directly affected by this (though if things were safer I would consider getting into hauling), I do interact with a lot of freighter pilots, and am hearing a lot of pain and consternation from their end. After discussing some of the episodes, I identified a few mechanics that I think are contributing to the recent escalation. These include the absue of bumping, the lack of consequences for -10 sec status, the ability to mount large guns on battlecruisers (our beloved Talos), and others. I think it makes sense for CCP to examine this, and decide if the current balance is right. An no, I'm not secretly a freighter alt, or a CODE alt, or some other crazy thing, I'm just someone who wants to help everyone, including the much maligned "carebears" enjoy the game.

Assuming stability on other fronts, and there is little reason to assume otherwise, this would suggest an overall increase.

Of course, the mere fact that "somedbody" is ganking ships" does not imply "ganking needs nerfing." But in my mind, if more ships are getting ganked (which I thought was the point of our dispute), and if the ships are not being ganked for isk but for tears (specifically the ganking of empty ships), and if those ships are well fitted, not autopiloted, and operated intelligently, and if we still see them getting ganked, then in my mind there is at least cause to concern some tweaks to the game mechanics. I am 100% fine with undertanked haulers with valuable cargo getting blown off the grid. I am less comfortable with empty freighters being blown up just to make the pilots cry, with the gankers themselves suffering little in the way of consequences.

CODE, by itself, has had a massive increase in the number of freighters it killed in the last 2 months. Unless you have some reason to believe that freighter kills from other sources have been massively decreasing, the evidence strongly suggests that freighter kills overall are increasing.

Of course, the mere fact that "somedbody" is ganking ships" does not imply "ganking needs nerfing." But in my mind, if more ships are getting ganked (which I thought was the point of our dispute), and if the ships are not being ganked for isk but for tears (specifically the ganking of empty ships), and if those ships are well fitted, not autopiloted, and operated intelligently, and if we still see them getting ganked, then in my mind there is at least cause to consider some tweaks to the game mechanics. I am 100% fine with undertanked haulers with valuable cargo getting blown off the grid. I am less comfortable with empty freighters being blown up just to make the pilots cry, with the gankers themselves suffering little in the way of consequences.