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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3061 - 2014-09-01 19:16:47 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
1. I did not apologise to you. Learn to read who I quoted to.

2. The negative energy in your posts is clearly visible. The fact that you have calmed down
again does not change that. The fact that you do not even know what I am talking about ... neither.

3. Also: obsessive.

(:
:)


I was never angry to begin with, hence no need to calm down, in fact I've been more bemused by this than anything. The negative energy is from the suicide gank folks. And I have nothing to obsess about. Refusing to apologize for calling me a "CODE alt" when CODE themselves have come and stated otherwise is a bit low though. So to trying to bait people into anger so they get banned. Why not stick to arguing the points in the thread?
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3062 - 2014-09-01 19:18:52 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Pointing out problems in the game mechanics and suggesting reasonable improvements is not "negative energy."


It helps to know what you're talking about, not to mention paying close attention to dev posts, if you want to make reasonable suggestions.

Veers Belvar wrote:
The fact that a lot of professional gankers, or their alts, meet such with hysteria and abuse does not make me culpable for the "negative energy."


Hysteria and abuse? You're claiming the sky is green and being told no, it's blue. That's neither hysterical nor abusive.


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#3063 - 2014-09-01 19:22:28 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm a major opponent, not an alt.

You are Lynch's successor, since he is stable for months now.

Evil RatKid
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3064 - 2014-09-01 19:22:30 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.


It is possible to warp after being bumped. There are also several ways to stop a bump from even happening.
Solecist Project
#3065 - 2014-09-01 19:23:51 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
blabla

The point that you calmed down now does not change the fact that you were not calm before.


I would talk about the topic of the thread,
but there is nothing left to talk about in the first place .....................


You are making things up that are not there and you refuse to listen.


This thread has died several pages ago. *shrugs*

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#3066 - 2014-09-01 19:24:45 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Why not stick to arguing the points in the thread?

The point of the thread was empty freighters and not bumping mechanics which where discussed a long time ago in another thread.

Evil RatKid
Solecist Project
#3067 - 2014-09-01 19:25:35 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Why not stick to arguing the points in the thread?

The point of the thread was empty freighters and not bumping mechanics which where discussed a long time ago in another thread.
*hugs* :)


But we could as well just keep pretending that what he says
has actual ground in reality ... just to make him happy? :/

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3068 - 2014-09-01 19:25:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.


It is possible to warp after being bumped. There are also several ways to stop a bump from even happening.


Could you supply evidence for the first point? As to the second, there are ways to avoid being shot in highsec as well, but CONCORD still comes anyways, right? CONCORD response in highsec does not depend on the moral desert of the pilot vis-a-vis their prior actions.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3069 - 2014-09-01 19:25:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Veers Belvar wrote:
.I think any reasonable person sees CONCORD in high sec as having a quasi-police function.


quasi-
Pronunciation: /ˈkweɪzʌɪ, -sʌɪ, ˈkwɑːzi/

1. Apparently but not really; seemingly:
quasi-American
quasi-scientific
(http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/quasi-)

Yes, reasonable people do see them this way.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Solecist Project
#3070 - 2014-09-01 19:27:03 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
.I think any reasonable person sees CONCORD in high sec as having a quasi-police function.


quasi-
Pronunciation: /ˈkweɪzʌɪ, -sʌɪ, ˈkwɑːzi/

1. Apparently but not really; seemingly:
quasi-American
quasi-scientific

Yes, reasonable people do see them this way.
That made me laugh out loud! :D

It's funny how it was first a police force ... and now it is quasi ... xD

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3071 - 2014-09-01 19:27:50 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Why not stick to arguing the points in the thread?

The point of the thread was empty freighters and not bumping mechanics which where discussed a long time ago in another thread.


Actually the title was "has suicide ganking become a problem?" Empty freighters is one aspect of that problem as I have already discussed, since CODE is not really affected by the current consequences for suicide ganking. Another aspect of the problem is they way CODE is abusing the game mechanic to make it easier to kill these empty freighters, but pinning them down through bumping.

But yes, resoundingly, suicide ganking, at least as CODE is doing it, is a major problem, and is hurting highsec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3072 - 2014-09-01 19:28:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.


It is possible to warp after being bumped. There are also several ways to stop a bump from even happening.


Could you supply evidence for the first point?


Web the freighter, warp to celestial, warp to a safe, warp to an intercepter in your fleet in your alignment cone etc..
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3073 - 2014-09-01 19:29:53 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
.I think any reasonable person sees CONCORD in high sec as having a quasi-police function.


quasi-
Pronunciation: /ˈkweɪzʌɪ, -sʌɪ, ˈkwɑːzi/

1. Apparently but not really; seemingly:
quasi-American
quasi-scientific

Yes, reasonable people do see them this way.
That made me laugh out loud! :D

It's funny how it was first a police force ... and now it is quasi ... xD


Well, no, as CCP Falcon put it responds as a "law enforcement agency," colloquially referred to as the police. For your benefit, and even assuming that CONCORD is not a police force (an assumption I disagree with), it would still intervene in the CODE freighter ganks as opposed to sitting there and eating donuts.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#3074 - 2014-09-01 19:29:56 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.


People have posted many, many, many, many times on this forum explaining how to avoid being bumped in the first place. Doing so has the interesting side-effect of letting you warp off regardless of how many would-be bumpers are present. It's remarkably similar to the way a ganker can't gank you if you're already going to warp when they land on grid.

Now sure, once in a blue moon you're going to get unlucky, kinda like a poor rapier pilot who once ran a gatecamp I was in and had the sheer misfortune to have come through the gate too close to me to be able to cloak. Stuff happens. As a rule, though, the simple, effective means of avoiding being bumped tackled works almost every time.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#3075 - 2014-09-01 19:30:12 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.


It is possible to warp after being bumped. There are also several ways to stop a bump from even happening.


Could you supply evidence for the first point?


Web the freighter, warp to celestial, warp to a safe, warp to an intercepter in your fleet in your alignment cone etc..


Bracing for incoming "Now I have to have friends/allies/co-workers in an MMO!?"

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lady Areola Fappington
#3076 - 2014-09-01 19:30:27 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.



I'll give you a freebie.

You have a couple friends jump in flying cheap ships with multiple webs, while you're being bumped. Something like 3-4 webs each. Have them web you. You'll fling off into warp in ~2 seconds then.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3077 - 2014-09-01 19:31:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.


It is possible to warp after being bumped. There are also several ways to stop a bump from even happening.


Could you supply evidence for the first point?


Web the freighter, warp to celestial, warp to a safe, warp to an intercepter in your fleet in your alignment cone etc..


Requires webbers (who the gankers are happy to shoot first), may be unable to align to the celestial, and may be unable to align to the interceptor.
Solecist Project
#3078 - 2014-09-01 19:31:35 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
But yes, resoundingly, suicide ganking, at least as CODE is doing it, is a major problem, and is hurting highsec.
Could you supply evidence for this point?

Because CCP believes otherwise, you know?


What kind of relevance does their freighterganking have?

How do you come to this conclusion?

Is there a metric?


You think the amount of freighters matters?
Or is it the ISK value?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#3079 - 2014-09-01 19:32:15 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:


Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.



I'll give you a freebie.

You have a couple friends jump in flying cheap ships with multiple webs, while you're being bumped. Something like 3-4 webs each. Have them web you. You'll fling off into warp in ~2 seconds then.


And if making a couple of friends is too hard, just one friend in a rapier works just as well. You can even cheat and use an alt.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#3080 - 2014-09-01 19:33:59 UTC
admiral root wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Actually i made reasonable points about bumping being used to impede warping off. The other side simply asserted, without evidence, that warping off remains possible, and then declared anything contrary to their view to be "lying." When challenged on this, they went straight to name calling.


People have posted many, many, many, many times on this forum explaining how to avoid being bumped in the first place. Doing so has the interesting side-effect of letting you warp off regardless of how many would-be bumpers are present. It's remarkably similar to the way a ganker can't gank you if you're already going to warp when they land on grid.

Now sure, once in a blue moon you're going to get unlucky, kinda like a poor rapier pilot who once ran a gatecamp I was in and had the sheer misfortune to have come through the gate too close to me to be able to cloak. Stuff happens. As a rule, though, the simple, effective means of avoiding being bumped tackled works almost every time.


Well, as can be seen from the OP post of this thread - these tricks apparently aren't helping, because CODE is blowing freighters up at an alarming clip. CONCORD should react as a competent "law enforcement agency" would, and help free pinned targets. Saying, bring friends, etc.... doesn't line up with the role of CONCORD in highsec, which is to punish criminal conduct. And pinning down a target for a gank, whether through warp scrambling or through other means rendering them unable to escape, is, in my view, a criminal act.