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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2801 - 2014-08-31 22:54:31 UTC
Nitchiu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Career criminals like the CODE folks should not be "put to death" rather they should face jail sentences, like for say 30 days, where they are unable to leave the dockup.


The second invincible NPC pirates start chasing mission runners, sure.

Until then, "occupational hazard" can't be something you only apply to the people you don't like.


Suicide gankers don't care about CONCORD, ship loss is already factored into their risk/reward. What does not make sense is releasing repeat offenders every 15 minutes so they can continue to commit the same crime.



Then you also don't understand why the allies allowed dozens of german and japanese war criminals to get away scot free after WWII?


What? That's one of the oddest analogies I've ever seen. Hear of a place called Nuremberg? And someone who in the past committed a crime, but is currently not committing one, bears no analogy to someone who every 15 minutes is blowing up ships and getting re-arrested. Having a revolving door justice system for -10 sec status suicide gankers is laughable.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2802 - 2014-08-31 23:00:09 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

Suicide gankers don't care about CONCORD, ship loss is already factored into their risk/reward. What does not make sense is releasing repeat offenders every 15 minutes so they can continue to commit the same crime.


Because it's not actually a "crime", that's merely the simplest term to use.

Capsuleers are basically above the law. CONCORD only exists because the highsec empires don't want a capsuleer civil war in their areas.

They have a sharply limited purview within highsec, according to their mandate.

And yes, we don't care about CONCORD much. That's because we take it into account before hand. That's because we're good players, unlike most of our victims, who are bad players.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Nitchiu
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2803 - 2014-08-31 23:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nitchiu
Veers Belvar wrote:
Nitchiu wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
Career criminals like the CODE folks should not be "put to death" rather they should face jail sentences, like for say 30 days, where they are unable to leave the dockup.


The second invincible NPC pirates start chasing mission runners, sure.

Until then, "occupational hazard" can't be something you only apply to the people you don't like.


Suicide gankers don't care about CONCORD, ship loss is already factored into their risk/reward. What does not make sense is releasing repeat offenders every 15 minutes so they can continue to commit the same crime.



Then you also don't understand why the allies allowed dozens of german and japanese war criminals to get away scot free after WWII?


What? That's one of the oddest analogies I've ever seen. Hear of a place called Nuremberg? And someone who in the past committed a crime, but is currently not committing one, bears no analogy to someone who every 15 minutes is blowing up ships and getting re-arrested. Having a revolving door justice system for -10 sec status suicide gankers is laughable.


Well since you don't understand then let me explain. Yes some Nazi war criminals were tried after the second world war but many others including the Japanese unit 731 did not face any charges. Why? Because they had valuable skills or information.

Capsuleers provide very valuable services to the empires and as long as they don't get too out of hand the empires turn a blind eye to their activities. CONCORD blowing up a ship is the EvE equivilent of the Nuremberg trial. A show to give the common people the impression that justice was done when in reality many of the worst criminals got away with nothing.

Edit: Apparently the german WWII ruling faction is blocked.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2804 - 2014-08-31 23:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Veers Belvar
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Well since you don't understand then let me explain. Yes some **** war criminals were tried after the second world war but many others including the Japanese unit 731 did not face any charges. Why? Because they had valuable skills or information.

Capsuleers provide very valuable services to the empires and as long as they don't get too out of hand the empires turn a blind eye to their activities. CONCORD blowing up a ship is the EvE equivilent of the Nuremberg trial. A show to give the common people the impression that justice was done when in reality many of the worst criminals got away with nothing.

Edit: Apparently the german WWII ruling faction is blocked.[/quote]


I'm kind of struggling to understand this. The fact that some war criminals were not punished for past war crimes once the war ended (and these people were then no longer committing crimes) has what bearing on how career -10 suicide gankers from CODE should be treated, who literally have no other purpose than to commit crime after crime?
Solecist Project
#2805 - 2014-08-31 23:31:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Solecist Project
What am I reading here?


Am I a nazi now? :(

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2806 - 2014-08-31 23:31:10 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:

I'm kind of struggling to understand this. The fact that some war criminals were not punished for past war crimes once the war ended (and these people were then no longer committing crimes) has what bearing on how career -10 suicide gankers from CODE should be treated, who literally have no other purpose than to commit crime after crime?


Because we're demigods in this game, not regular citizens, not normal pirates.

They are lucky they can even get the Yulai treaty to apply to us anymore.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Solecist Project
#2807 - 2014-08-31 23:38:16 UTC

The really weird part is that it reads like I am an actual criminal.

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Nitchiu
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2808 - 2014-08-31 23:40:26 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:

The really weird part is that it reads like I am an actual criminal.


Actually your a very valuable resource for the empiresBig smile Unless you actually are a vicious war criminal and you didn't knowShocked
Solecist Project
#2809 - 2014-08-31 23:42:06 UTC
Nitchiu wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

The really weird part is that it reads like I am an actual criminal.


Actually your a very valuable resource for the empiresBig smile Unless you actually are a vicious war criminal and you didn't knowShocked
I'm from Austria.

Does that count? :/

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2810 - 2014-08-31 23:42:35 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Nitchiu wrote:
Solecist Project wrote:

The really weird part is that it reads like I am an actual criminal.


Actually your a very valuable resource for the empiresBig smile Unless you actually are a vicious war criminal and you didn't knowShocked
I'm from Austria.

Does that count? :/


I'm from Bavaria, so I need to know about this too.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Solecist Project
#2811 - 2014-08-31 23:44:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'm from Bavaria, so I need to know about this too.

I'll take the lead and we'll find out.... right?

That ringing in your ears you're experiencing right now is the last gasping breathe of a dying inner ear as it got thoroughly PULVERISED by the point roaring over your head at supersonic speeds. - Tippia
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2812 - 2014-08-31 23:45:25 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm kind of struggling to understand this. The fact that some war criminals were not punished for past war crimes once the war ended (and these people were then no longer committing crimes) has what bearing on how career -10 suicide gankers from CODE should be treated, who literally have no other purpose than to commit crime after crime?

There is no hard connection between crime and punishment. The connection is even more tenuous if the criminals are not even subject to the legal system.

Not much to struggle with.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2813 - 2014-08-31 23:45:54 UTC
I'm not really sure how we went from space pirates to prosecutorial discretion vis-a-vis WWII Germany war criminals.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2814 - 2014-08-31 23:46:40 UTC
Solecist Project wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
I'm from Bavaria, so I need to know about this too.

I'll take the lead and we'll find out.... right?


Jawohl.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2815 - 2014-08-31 23:51:43 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm not really sure how we went from space pirates to prosecutorial discretion vis-a-vis WWII Germany war criminals.

You were wondering why some individuals are not being punished for their crimes. Nürnberg provides one example and explanation, if the EVE lore doesn't explain it well enough for you. vOv
Nitchiu
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2816 - 2014-08-31 23:53:31 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm not really sure how we went from space pirates to prosecutorial discretion vis-a-vis WWII Germany war criminals.


Well the prosecutorial discretion is the key. CCP has decided not to allow CONCORD the discretion of blapping bumpers. Therefor they don't. Also "Lore reasons".

And as one poster explained, getting away from a bumper is actually very easy if you know how. If you really want to help the poor freighter pilots being bumped you can now explain to then how to get away. Assuming they aren't AFK.
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#2817 - 2014-08-31 23:54:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm not really sure how we went from space pirates to prosecutorial discretion vis-a-vis WWII Germany war criminals.

You were wondering why some individuals are not being punished for their crimes. Nürnberg provides one example and explanation, if the EVE lore doesn't explain it well enough for you. vOv


No, I am wondering why some people, who commit the same crime OVER AND OVER AGAIN, and go into police custody each time, face no more than a trifling 15 minute jail sentence. the relation between that and WWII war criminals is, in my opinion, rather tenuous.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2818 - 2014-08-31 23:55:44 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
No, I am wondering why some people, who commit the same crime OVER AND OVER AGAIN, and go into police custody each time, face no more than a trifling 15 minute jail sentence.
You're asking about something that has nothing to do with EVE then.
May I suggest that you find a forum where that question is relevant?
Nitchiu
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#2819 - 2014-08-31 23:56:26 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm not really sure how we went from space pirates to prosecutorial discretion vis-a-vis WWII Germany war criminals.

You were wondering why some individuals are not being punished for their crimes. Nürnberg provides one example and explanation, if the EVE lore doesn't explain it well enough for you. vOv


No, I am wondering why some people, who commit the same crime OVER AND OVER AGAIN, and go into police custody each time, face no more than a trifling 15 minute jail sentence. the relation between that and WWII war criminals is, in my opinion, rather tenuous.


Fine... Hollywood stars.... I rest my case
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2820 - 2014-08-31 23:57:16 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Veers Belvar wrote:
I'm not really sure how we went from space pirates to prosecutorial discretion vis-a-vis WWII Germany war criminals.

You were wondering why some individuals are not being punished for their crimes. Nürnberg provides one example and explanation, if the EVE lore doesn't explain it well enough for you. vOv


No, I am wondering why some people, who commit the same crime OVER AND OVER AGAIN, and go into police custody each time, face no more than a trifling 15 minute jail sentence. the relation between that and WWII war criminals is, in my opinion, rather tenuous.


Because that's how the rules of the Yulai treaty work.

Capsuleers are above the law for anything else, and they don't actually care if we attack each other. They just know that they have to establish basic consequences for it, otherwise we'd be tearing the respective empires apart by now.

Hence why all they do is blow up our ships for it. Because they don't actually care, they are just trying to establish a deterrent for civil war.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.