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Has suicide ganking become a problem? Empty freighters being ganked.

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Samantha Floyd
Doomheim
#2421 - 2014-08-08 19:52:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Samantha Floyd
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
To some it might have I imagine.

To me tho, no it has not. But given a long enough stretch of time eventually I will lose a ship to it despite my efforts to avoid it. But even then I will have made billions more to cover up the loss many times over. So it will probably never really be a problem to me.

To those who engage in suicide ganking, great, continue as you provide a service to us all in one way or another. Morally tho you should be able to understand that people dislike the practise and scale of it.

To those who don't approve of it. Great to, it adds to the overall experience and gives the world we play in some dynamics.

So no, it has not become a problem to me.


Well said. You are a rare breed - an EVE player who understands how to minimize their losses and does not undock what they cannot replace. Even though the tutorials take time to explain this concept, it seems new players tend to miss it.

As for the moral (e-bushido?) thing - we are totally cool with that. We're not naive enough to understand that some people will dislike what we do. What really grinds my gears is when they justify that dislike with totally silly reasons that we have all heard about ten thousand times before. Nearly every single person that dislikes what we do will explain that:

* We are just "griefers" who are "exploiting" game mechanics and CCP will ban us.

* We don't know what "real" pvp (lmao real pvp) is and ONLY shoot industrial/mining/transport ships.

* Ganking is cyberbullying.

* We should go to (insert region of space) and gank there.

* The EULA protects people from us, and we are somehow violating the rules.

* Groups of organized players with a good FC using team work to engage a target is overpowered.

* Everyone who engages a target in high-sec is some sort of real world sociopath.

* Ganking has no e-bushido or cyber-honor, everyone knows if you kill a target in 0.5 space you are a raging sociopath but if you kill the same in 0.4 space you are a honorable warrior.

These are the top reasons for "dislike" of CODE, and they are all pretty silly.

To be fair a lot of anti-CODE players have no issues like this. There is an ever increasing following of people who enjoy the emergent gameplay but feel The New Order is ultimately just an excuse to produce tears from victims in order for James 315 to make fun of.

If that is a silly reason for an adult to hate another, then I don't know what to tell you. Seems valid enough to me.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2422 - 2014-08-08 21:44:29 UTC
Christopher Mabata wrote:
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
Zimmy Zeta wrote:
Freighters come with 1 (!!!) ft CPU, so it simply isn't possible to fit bulkheads, not even a single one, since they all require CPU. Best you could do is 3x ANP II to make your freighter tankier.

I can confirm that my freighter alt had to use dark magic to fit three bulkheads.


Aye, the ritual cost me 6 new born goats and the phylactery to store their souls for the ritual wasn't cheap either, plus cleaning up the mess when its all done just to fit 3 bulkheads, i mean c'mon CCP couldn't there be a 100% cpu reduction bonus or something?


Pft, noob. Goats don't have very good souls, you need to kill a mammoth or something for that.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Paranoid Loyd
#2423 - 2014-08-08 21:46:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Pft, noob. Goats don't have very good souls, you need to kill a mammoth or something for that.


I've killed quite a few, is this a transferable thing? Because, I could float you one or two? Lol

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2424 - 2014-08-08 21:54:04 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Pft, noob. Goats don't have very good souls, you need to kill a mammoth or something for that.


I've killed quite a few, is this a transferable thing? Because, I could float you one or two? Lol


Soul gems are tradeable unless you have stolen them. In that case, you will need the merchant perk.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2425 - 2014-08-08 21:55:54 UTC
Samantha Floyd wrote:
DJentropy Ovaert wrote:
Aldeskwatso wrote:
To some it might have I imagine.

To me tho, no it has not. But given a long enough stretch of time eventually I will lose a ship to it despite my efforts to avoid it. But even then I will have made billions more to cover up the loss many times over. So it will probably never really be a problem to me.

To those who engage in suicide ganking, great, continue as you provide a service to us all in one way or another. Morally tho you should be able to understand that people dislike the practise and scale of it.

To those who don't approve of it. Great to, it adds to the overall experience and gives the world we play in some dynamics.

So no, it has not become a problem to me.


Well said. You are a rare breed - an EVE player who understands how to minimize their losses and does not undock what they cannot replace. Even though the tutorials take time to explain this concept, it seems new players tend to miss it.

As for the moral (e-bushido?) thing - we are totally cool with that. We're not naive enough to understand that some people will dislike what we do. What really grinds my gears is when they justify that dislike with totally silly reasons that we have all heard about ten thousand times before. Nearly every single person that dislikes what we do will explain that:

* We are just "griefers" who are "exploiting" game mechanics and CCP will ban us.

* We don't know what "real" pvp (lmao real pvp) is and ONLY shoot industrial/mining/transport ships.

* Ganking is cyberbullying.

* We should go to (insert region of space) and gank there.

* The EULA protects people from us, and we are somehow violating the rules.

* Groups of organized players with a good FC using team work to engage a target is overpowered.

* Everyone who engages a target in high-sec is some sort of real world sociopath.

* Ganking has no e-bushido or cyber-honor, everyone knows if you kill a target in 0.5 space you are a raging sociopath but if you kill the same in 0.4 space you are a honorable warrior.

These are the top reasons for "dislike" of CODE, and they are all pretty silly.

To be fair a lot of anti-CODE players have no issues like this. There is an ever increasing following of people who enjoy the emergent gameplay but feel The New Order is ultimately just an excuse to produce tears from victims in order for James 315 to make fun of.

If that is a silly reason for an adult to hate another, then I don't know what to tell you. Seems valid enough to me.

Tears are basically a type of player-generated drop.

Not sure about the rarity or quality of these drops though, I lack the data.

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Paranoid Loyd
#2426 - 2014-08-08 21:58:01 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Pft, noob. Goats don't have very good souls, you need to kill a mammoth or something for that.


I've killed quite a few, is this a transferable thing? Because, I could float you one or two? Lol


Soul gems are tradeable unless you have stolen them. In that case, you will need the merchant perk.


Are the gems considered stolen if I have looted the carcass? Cause I always loot the carcass, I only kill them if they have juicy insides. Twisted


"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2427 - 2014-08-08 21:59:28 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Pft, noob. Goats don't have very good souls, you need to kill a mammoth or something for that.


I've killed quite a few, is this a transferable thing? Because, I could float you one or two? Lol


Soul gems are tradeable unless you have stolen them. In that case, you will need the merchant perk.


Are the gems considered stolen if I have looted the carcass? Cause I always loot the carcass, I only kill them if they have juicy insides. Twisted


Well, yeah. It's only a crime if you steal them from someone who is actually alive at the time.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Paranoid Loyd
#2428 - 2014-08-08 22:01:31 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Well, yeah. It's only a crime if you steal them from someone who is actually alive at the time.


We're good then, contract sent. Blink

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2429 - 2014-08-08 22:30:50 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Christina Project wrote:
Samantha Floyd wrote:
Yesterday I hauled ~36 billion ISK across New Eden.
3 trips of ~12 billion ISK.

I encountered a bump Machariel on 4 separate occasions during the trips. Each time they attempted to bump my freighter. Each time I escaped.

Suicide ganking is not the problem. It is in fact the opposite. Web warping freighters is a problem. It makes it so the gankers have a near 0% chance of catching the freighter.

And you are so horribly ugly that there is no way someone can miss that you're a troll! :D


Great face though, seriously! :D
I love the colors! :D


The ugly person is correct though. Webbing your freighter in to an almost instant warp has a very high success ratio.


I've done it using a Corp Daredevil, MWD and dual fit webs. (90% web x 2)

While most of this thread defines EVE to a letter perfect example (the game of don't do stuff) this is the one option you do when moving a freighter.

I object to the fruity bump mechanic, never tried to understand it and never saw it as valid but for the time being, CCP do see it as such. This is the work around.


You don't even need a Daredevil to do it. You can literally web a freighter in to a less than 2 second align/warp with a 15 minute hero.

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Good Posting
Doomheim
#2430 - 2014-08-08 22:41:48 UTC
I recenlty purchased a Freighter to use it for my own needs. It is very useful but i hate being a sitting duck and even with 3 Bulkheads fitted it feels like a giant and defenseless pinhata.

I don't regret having one but i still think that setting a courier contract to Red/Black Frog is a better idea since hauling isn't my passion. Sometimes i'm so stubborn and i want to do everything by myself.

On topic: i don't think suicide ganking is a problem. Just plan your routes, don't fill it with juicy stuff and then fit it with nanofibers. High sec and new eden in general is really safe if you take some basic precautions. And if i have to asplode that is fine, this is a game based on destroying space ships so i don't see where is the issue.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2431 - 2014-08-09 01:15:58 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
...and then fit it with nanofibers. High sec and new eden in general is really safe if you take some basic precautions. And if i have to asplode that is fine, this is a game based on destroying space ships so i don't see where is the issue.


This. I have a freighter on my hauling alt but most of the time, unless I'm hauling battleships and their fits, I limit my trips to smaller loads in a Wreathe.

It's a modular fit, where I can swap cargo expanders for nanos, or vice versa, depending on the size of the load. This is the standard:

[Wreathe, Roosevelt]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

It aligns faster than any hauler I've flown. I do frequent runs to Jita in it, and it has survived two Tornado gank attempts undocking. This thing will tank two volleys from a nado, the third one will kill it (32K ehp). But in Jita, they're only going to have time for one, so unless they're prepared specifically for you with three Tornados, it ain't happening.

I've got similar builds across all industrial types designed specifically with alignment speed as first priority, tank as second, cargo as third. Additionally, you should have prealigned instas on every station you frequent, except Jita. Don't bother having an insta on Jita, just bounce off nearby station. It's fairly easy to align to as long as you're set up for it, and no one expects it. Everyone expects you to use an insta.

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Phoenix22
H.I.D.R.I.A Industries
#2432 - 2014-08-09 22:49:35 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
...and then fit it with nanofibers. High sec and new eden in general is really safe if you take some basic precautions. And if i have to asplode that is fine, this is a game based on destroying space ships so i don't see where is the issue.


This. I have a freighter on my hauling alt but most of the time, unless I'm hauling battleships and their fits, I limit my trips to smaller loads in a Wreathe.

It's a modular fit, where I can swap cargo expanders for nanos, or vice versa, depending on the size of the load. This is the standard:

[Wreathe, Roosevelt]
Damage Control II
Expanded Cargohold II
Expanded Cargohold II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Large Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

It aligns faster than any hauler I've flown. I do frequent runs to Jita in it, and it has survived two Tornado gank attempts undocking. This thing will tank two volleys from a nado, the third one will kill it (32K ehp). But in Jita, they're only going to have time for one, so unless they're prepared specifically for you with three Tornados, it ain't happening.

I've got similar builds across all industrial types designed specifically with alignment speed as first priority, tank as second, cargo as third. Additionally, you should have prealigned instas on every station you frequent, except Jita. Don't bother having an insta on Jita, just bounce off nearby station. It's fairly easy to align to as long as you're set up for it, and no one expects it. Everyone expects you to use an insta.


It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try
Paranoid Loyd
#2433 - 2014-08-09 22:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Phoenix22 wrote:
It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try


Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

It is nearly impossible to kill the fit you are referring to unless you are both really organized and really lucky.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Phoenix22
H.I.D.R.I.A Industries
#2434 - 2014-08-09 23:02:40 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try


Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

It is nearly impossible to kill the fit you are referring to unless you are both really organized and really lucky.


U someone is angry o wait you are the CODE ore Goonswarm P
Paranoid Loyd
#2435 - 2014-08-09 23:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Phoenix22 wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try


Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

It is nearly impossible to kill the fit you are referring to unless you are both really organized and really lucky.


U someone is angry o wait you are the CODE ore Goonswarm P


If it appears that I am angry it is because you posted something of extreme ignorance. But I assure you I am not.

I am neither CODE nor Goon, however, I am someone who ganks indys and knows what can and cant be done.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about so you shouldn't say anything at all as it misleads other weak minded folks like yourself to believe your drivel.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2436 - 2014-08-09 23:52:54 UTC
Loyd is right, that fit is pretty hard to get a hold of.

And idk anybody who sebo gatecamps in highsec. Don't need to, there's always a bigger, slower fish.

If someone nails you down with the fit Remiel posted, it's more than likely because they were after you specifically, in which case you have more problems than just getting ganked.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2437 - 2014-08-10 00:34:43 UTC
Phoenix22 wrote:
It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try

Phoenix22 wrote:
U someone is angry o wait you are the CODE ore Goonswarm P

dear lord. his bot-aspirancy is affecting his language
Christopher Mabata
Northern Accounts and Systems
#2438 - 2014-08-10 03:06:21 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try

Phoenix22 wrote:
U someone is angry o wait you are the CODE ore Goonswarm P

dear lord. his bot-aspirancy is affecting his language


I would have never thought such a thing possible had i not seen it with my own two eyes!

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Machiavellian Space Bastards
#2439 - 2014-08-10 03:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Phoenix22 wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Good Posting wrote:
...and then fit it with nanofibers. High sec and new eden in general is really safe if you take some basic precautions. And if i have to asplode that is fine, this is a game based on destroying space ships so i don't see where is the issue.


This. I have a freighter on my hauling alt but most of the time, unless I'm hauling battleships and their fits, I limit my trips to smaller loads in a Wreathe.

It's a modular fit, where I can swap cargo expanders for nanos, or vice versa, depending on the size of the load. This is the standard:

[Wreathe, Roosevelt]

snip ~ fit that works ~snip

It aligns faster than any hauler I've flown. I do frequent runs to Jita in it, and it has survived two Tornado gank attempts undocking. This thing will tank two volleys from a nado, the third one will kill it (32K ehp). But in Jita, they're only going to have time for one, so unless they're prepared specifically for you with three Tornados, it ain't happening.

I've got similar builds across all industrial types designed specifically with alignment speed as first priority, tank as second, cargo as third. Additionally, you should have prealigned instas on every station you frequent, except Jita. Don't bother having an insta on Jita, just bounce off nearby station. It's fairly easy to align to as long as you're set up for it, and no one expects it. Everyone expects you to use an insta.


It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try
That's where knowing who the gankers are, and setting standings appropriately comes into play. It's not like they're hard to find...

It's not particularly hard to avoid being ganked, but you have to make some fitting sacrifices and put some effort into it.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2440 - 2014-08-10 03:19:00 UTC
Phoenix22 wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Phoenix22 wrote:
It will not help you, tank ore no tank CODE ore Goonswarm will gank you no matter how hard you try


Please keep your ignorance to yourself.

It is nearly impossible to kill the fit you are referring to unless you are both really organized and really lucky.


U someone is angry o wait you are the CODE ore Goonswarm P


He speaks truth. Blockade runners when flown right are near impossible to catch in high sec.