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[Kronos] Mordu's Legion

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1321 - 2014-06-01 12:22:54 UTC
Onictus wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Sirober wrote:
Anyone else here see a problem with scrambler/disruptor bonuses on a battleship? Really? I mean really?


No


Yes



Not really.. Its not like the proteus hasn't been able to do this for ages with 300k ehp and lol resists because lol t3's

I've got more of a problem with how the Garmur and Orthus will **** on solo pvpers without effort.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1322 - 2014-06-01 14:17:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Swiftstrike1 wrote:
The missile velocity bonus on these ships is so ridiculous that targets explode and die before the missile animation leaves the "launching" stage. It's somewhat immersion breaking when the target explodes... and THEN you can see the missile flying over to what is already a wreck lol

Stealth missiles.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1323 - 2014-06-01 15:15:52 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:



I've got more of a problem with how the Garmur and Orthus will **** on solo pvpers without effort.


Sounds like that is solo PvP to me.

We'll see or they will go the way of the Dramiel and Cynabal. It just DOESN'T pay to be the strong ship in a balance pass. Ever.
Shilalasar
Dead Sky Inc.
#1324 - 2014-06-01 16:43:20 UTC
Onictus wrote:
[quote=Garviel Tarrant]We'll see or they will go the way of the Dramiel and Cynabal. It just DOESN'T pay to be the strong ship in a balance pass. Ever.

Yeah, it really sucks to be an Ishtar.

It is just strange that the person also responsable for ship balancing puts in a new frig/cruiser to reign in solo PvP. Sounds more like a marketing move. If 90% of fightable 1vs1s are mordus vs mordus it just does not sound that balanced.
Verlyn
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#1325 - 2014-06-02 16:24:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Verlyn
Oh look, another kiting frigate...

and this time with scram, web range, agility and speed, and whynotincludeeverything bonuses...

*epic facepalm*

F A I L

Thank you CCP for briging another useless, overpriced and overpowered ship no one will even care to engage.
Eridon Hermetz
Jump 2 Beacon
OnlyHoles
#1326 - 2014-06-02 17:12:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Eridon Hermetz
Verlyn wrote:
Oh look, another kiting frigate...

and this time with scram, web range, agility and speed, and whynotincludeeverything bonuses...

*epic facepalm*

F A I L

Thank you CCP for briging another useless, overpriced and overpowered ship no one will even care to engage.



Did you know how to read ?
yes scram/disrupt range , but no web ranges bonuses dude.....
agility&speed , not really , it's just under than Angels Ship ....
Role Bonuses .... velocity bonus and flight time penalty on missiles are a "whynotincludeeverything" for you ?

And , btw , if the ship are so overpriced like you say , they will be hunt at all cost and everyone will engage it :)
and write useless and overpowered ship in the same time are just really fun to read :)
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1327 - 2014-06-02 17:23:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Lloyd Roses
Verlyn wrote:
Oh look, another kiting frigate...

and this time with scram, web range, agility and speed, and whynotincludeeverything bonuses...

*epic facepalm*

F A I L

Thank you CCP for briging another useless, overpriced and overpowered ship no one will even care to engage.


They are awesome until a coercer locks you for 5-6 seconds. By then, only a sour feeling and an expensive loss remain.
The same will happen against a Wolf, a Retribution, a Daredevil and a Corax even. You can't stay on grid against other LML boats, cause everything short of a breacher or a condor has better dps/tank. The breacher even will tank a garmur from dt to dt.

But ye, scramrange is totally OP when most things sit in your gearbox before you even got a lock on them (as all those above make between 4.5 and 6km/s heated or more, and no one will be dumb enough to warp into you once you're set up).

Edit: I lied, retribution only 3.6km/s and wolf only 4km/s.
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#1328 - 2014-06-02 17:59:41 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Oh look, another kiting frigate...

and this time with scram, web range, agility and speed, and whynotincludeeverything bonuses...

*epic facepalm*

F A I L

Thank you CCP for briging another useless, overpriced and overpowered ship no one will even care to engage.


They are awesome until a coercer locks you for 5-6 seconds. By then, only a sour feeling and an expensive loss remain.
The same will happen against a Wolf, a Retribution, a Daredevil and a Corax even. You can't stay on grid against other LML boats, cause everything short of a breacher or a condor has better dps/tank. The breacher even will tank a garmur from dt to dt.

But ye, scramrange is totally OP when most things sit in your gearbox before you even got a lock on them (as all those above make between 4.5 and 6km/s heated or more, and no one will be dumb enough to warp into you once you're set up).

Edit: I lied, retribution only 3.6km/s and wolf only 4km/s.



Funny, huh? Especially when you consider how a Garmur will make those speeds on it's own effortlessly. And funny how it comes with this long point range bonus, which basically allows for TONS and TONS of piloting errors without screwing up already.

And not to mention how an Orthrus will basically be like a NOmen, but on acid.
Should be somewhere near to 4km/s heated, too. Before links and imps.
With a damage application somewhere between terrifying and hilarious.

I, for one, welcome our new PvP overlords!

At LEAST 6 weeks of hella lot of fun!
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1329 - 2014-06-02 18:23:39 UTC
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Oh look, another kiting frigate...

and this time with scram, web range, agility and speed, and whynotincludeeverything bonuses...

*epic facepalm*

F A I L

Thank you CCP for briging another useless, overpriced and overpowered ship no one will even care to engage.


They are awesome until a coercer locks you for 5-6 seconds. By then, only a sour feeling and an expensive loss remain.
The same will happen against a Wolf, a Retribution, a Daredevil and a Corax even. You can't stay on grid against other LML boats, cause everything short of a breacher or a condor has better dps/tank. The breacher even will tank a garmur from dt to dt.

But ye, scramrange is totally OP when most things sit in your gearbox before you even got a lock on them (as all those above make between 4.5 and 6km/s heated or more, and no one will be dumb enough to warp into you once you're set up).

Edit: I lied, retribution only 3.6km/s and wolf only 4km/s.


Actually with links it can probably kite LML's

And with a TD it will **** over coercers and daredevils.. The only reason you would lose a Garmur really would be bad luck or being bad. Ort is worse of course because it can do the lol defensive scram thing. But the Garmur outdps's all lml boats other than a hawk i think? And its tank isn't really terrible either..

Its not AS hilariously broken as the Ort is but it is still sentinel level "I will never fight this ship ever ever ever"

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1330 - 2014-06-02 18:57:30 UTC
This just in: no one on sisi has ever heard of defender missiles except me and my buds Twisted
Syrias Bizniz
some random local shitlords
#1331 - 2014-06-02 19:58:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
This just in: no one on sisi has ever heard of defender missiles except me and my buds Twisted


I, too, like wasting all my dps potential in order to not take damage from a guy i won't be able to kill now.

However, if you have a new, interesting and gamechanging use for defenders, please share, so CCP can take them off their list of ******** stuff that's still in the game for some reason.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1332 - 2014-06-02 20:04:37 UTC
lol defender missiles.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
O X I D E
#1333 - 2014-06-03 02:08:48 UTC
So, let me get this straight Rise, you come here and ask for feedback. Then you ignore the feedback for dozens of pages, and when you finally come back you pop in log enough to tell everyone that they wasted their time providing feedback because you're not changing a damn thing? Genius strategy, pure genius. Assuming you have stock in some other games instead of Eve.
Here's some more feedback for you to ignore, if you're going to ask for feedback then take it and respond to it, whereas if you really don't care what the players think because you're that sure in your superior thinking then post the changes and lock the damn thread. Asshat. Roll
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1334 - 2014-06-03 09:09:24 UTC  |  Edited by: W0lf Crendraven
scorchlikeshiswhiskey wrote:
So, let me get this straight Rise, you come here and ask for feedback. Then you ignore the feedback for dozens of pages, and when you finally come back you pop in log enough to tell everyone that they wasted their time providing feedback because you're not changing a damn thing? Genius strategy, pure genius. Assuming you have stock in some other games instead of Eve.
Here's some more feedback for you to ignore, if you're going to ask for feedback then take it and respond to it, whereas if you really don't care what the players think because you're that sure in your superior thinking then post the changes and lock the damn thread. Asshat. Roll


Taking feedback doesnt mean actually having to do what it suggests, if you get feedback and come to the conclusion that you are right and the people providing feedback (on an idea) arent then changing anythiing is a mistake. Just because he listens to what you have to say doesnt mean he has to follow up on it and actually make some changes. Sure it would be nice to hear why they think the changes arent neccesary but you dont have to start insulting just because they dont do what you want them to do.

Also, lol @ all the people making fun at defender missiles, not saying they are good but i bet at least 99% of the people shitting on them and laughing at people who use them never have used them and dont actually know how they work in practice or if they actually do work (me included, ive heard they suck and never actually tried them out). Imagine you're in a rocket breacher and you have to chase a lml ship, if loading defenders while you cant hit anyways reduces dps its worthwile doing so.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1335 - 2014-06-03 09:11:41 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
Verlyn wrote:
Oh look, another kiting frigate...

and this time with scram, web range, agility and speed, and whynotincludeeverything bonuses...

*epic facepalm*

F A I L

Thank you CCP for briging another useless, overpriced and overpowered ship no one will even care to engage.


They are awesome until a coercer locks you for 5-6 seconds. By then, only a sour feeling and an expensive loss remain.
The same will happen against a Wolf, a Retribution, a Daredevil and a Corax even. You can't stay on grid against other LML boats, cause everything short of a breacher or a condor has better dps/tank. The breacher even will tank a garmur from dt to dt.

But ye, scramrange is totally OP when most things sit in your gearbox before you even got a lock on them (as all those above make between 4.5 and 6km/s heated or more, and no one will be dumb enough to warp into you once you're set up).

Edit: I lied, retribution only 3.6km/s and wolf only 4km/s.


Actually with links it can probably kite LML's

And with a TD it will **** over coercers and daredevils.. The only reason you would lose a Garmur really would be bad luck or being bad. Ort is worse of course because it can do the lol defensive scram thing. But the Garmur outdps's all lml boats other than a hawk i think? And its tank isn't really terrible either..

Its not AS hilariously broken as the Ort is but it is still sentinel level "I will never fight this ship ever ever ever"


The Garmur, while having quite a bit of buffer, still melts before anything else. If you LML-fit it, you need ionics or you'll pop out of lockrange with every half-assed slingshot-attempt he does.

The reason I was quoting especially Wolf and Retribution is that they both plug a Garmur out of the air seconds after locking. I'm not talking about scrubfits, but the pointless ones - so 230dps scorch retri and 250dps barragewolf. You can shoot regular frigs all day, but those two slingshot within 15-20, shoot you 3-4 times and you're history. I agree, it works wonderfully as a LML-kiter, but the issue are other fast mwd-frigs that just shot on top of you or out of your lockrange within two serverticks.

You're also overlooking the PG/CPU limitations. The garmur doesn't quite have the grid to do really impressive LML-fits. It's an awesome ship, but there are a lot of bottlenecks in that hull.
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1336 - 2014-06-03 09:22:09 UTC
[TEST Garmur, New Setup 2]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas Warp Disruptor
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Prototype Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

4.4k ehp with 192dps preheat, preimplants. That will detroy any retri or wolf, you have a 36km pointrange and a td. Would be a tought match vs a daredevil and im really not sure about the corax.
viverxia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1337 - 2014-06-03 19:22:37 UTC
So they drop in lowsec, does that mean they will also drop in null?
bcpror9981
EVE Protection Agency
#1338 - 2014-06-03 20:23:22 UTC
i think they need to be added to 0.0 as a bpc drop somewhere like mach / nightmare bpc's.
Mario Putzo
#1339 - 2014-06-03 21:25:34 UTC
viverxia wrote:
So they drop in lowsec, does that mean they will also drop in null?


No they drop in Low Sec.

Time to get into the danger zone son. Or just buy them from me. Jita +10%.
Igor Nappi
Doomheim
#1340 - 2014-06-03 22:10:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Igor Nappi
bcpror9981 wrote:
i think they need to be added to 0.0 as a bpc drop somewhere like mach / nightmare bpc's.


The whole point of the BPCs dropping only in lowsec is creating new content to the worst neglected area of space, lowsec. The BPCs should most definitely not drop in nullsec.

Edit: Lowsec belt ratting can be done in fully PVP capable ships so go get'em.

Furthermore, I think that links must be removed from the game.