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[Kronos] Mordu's Legion

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Mario Putzo
#1361 - 2014-06-05 13:33:43 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
What are these ships good for? They seem rather weak.

Oh and barghest so ugly way too flat.


They are super ***** kiting Alpha cunts.

The missile delay between cycle and hit is almost nonexistent the Missile speed bonus is incredibly awesome and may be the "solution" to solving the delayed DPS problem.

But ya. 10-15 dudes in Orthrus can dish out some pretty high Alpha, and probably never get caught if they are flying right. Barghest is pretty strong as well against like sized ships.

It will be interesting to see what happens as the market becomes saturated with these things. Ive personally found 3 Frigs and a Cruiser since patch day, I want to say these ships spawn with even more frequency than the Transport Ships, then again I never actually spent time hunting down transports so they could be the same.

The price on these ships will probably drop like a rock before months end, perhaps even to the point of being on the cheaper side of Pirate Faction ships, assuming the other 20 *actual* people who live in Lowsec are looking for them too.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1362 - 2014-06-05 15:53:18 UTC
Naomi Knight wrote:
What are these ships good for? They seem rather weak.

Oh and barghest so ugly way too flat.


If you think these ships are bad..

Well it indicates that you yourself might be quite bad.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Agat Zealot
Tanar'ri
#1363 - 2014-06-05 18:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Agat Zealot
i'm using Mjolnir Precision Heavy Missile on my Orthrus and i was surprised, that EVE telling me thous missiles can fly 47km.
In fact i was trying to shoot Eagle today. It was floating near undock with speed = 300m/s. And missiles started to heat Eagle when i aproached at 37-38km. I wonder if this is fine or CCP going to do somthing with that?

Никто не ждал испанской инквизиции...

Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1364 - 2014-06-05 19:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Hagika
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Application of damage as well. Yeah the Barg has a neat shape, its the one thing i like about it. Its unique. She is not fat, she is big boned =)

The Barghest is really geared towards rapid heavy missile launchers (which one could never really capitalize on). You really don't need to utilize any rigs, but I've gone with a Rigor-II, Hydraulic-II and Flare-I which basically eliminates having to run a target painter or web.


I dislike rapids very much, they seem to be good only in 1 niche role and that is a group. The reload time is ridiculous, and heavy missiles are garbage.

If they changed it to rapid cruise instead of heavy, then it would be worthwhile. As for now, the fleet phoon or navy raven is a better and far cheaper alternative for a pvp missile boat and being accepted in a fleet as a missile ship already takes a near miracle.

The mordus frig and cruiser are great ships. When the Barg was posted, I had very high hopes a of a massive dps missile spewing death machine as a equal to the vindi. When Rise was non existent for most of the time and then brushed off feedback, i knew it was a failure in the making. Atleast the phoenix was buffed a little bit. Though capital missiles are still boned, because feedback was again brushed aside.

Which as I always said, they post ideas, ask for feedback but they have no intention of listening to the more experienced player base. Thats just bad customer service.
SFM Hobb3s
Perkone
Caldari State
#1365 - 2014-06-05 21:47:47 UTC
Dude they listen to the player base all the time. Back during the halloween war my (and many others) biggest complaint was how much load on the servers drones were producing (ie tidi). It took a while, but they took some positive action to combat it. Much of the drone changes we are seeing now are a result of this feedback. Gila's with TWO drones? this is a precedent folks. I bet eventually we will all get to field only one drone (Gecko anyone?)

Winner=Hamsters
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1366 - 2014-06-06 10:05:58 UTC
So what's the general consensus on the new Mordu's Legion ships? Thumbs up - thumbs down - somewhere in-between?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Naomi Anthar
#1367 - 2014-06-06 11:12:35 UTC
garmur - strong , more op than up. But i would say at good place. It's fine.

orthrus - rather op , got one myself - sold as price is outrageous now. Way too strong compared to competition (except gila who is stupid op like worm). Would see damage bonus per level dropped to 17,5% or 15%. It will still rock with that change. Just less ... hopefully. 10 effective launchers and full flight drones make ships like Caracal navy issue or osprey navy issue just a joke. Of course price tag is diffrent - but still difference is way too big. Ship is supposed to be better via t1 < navy < pirate. Not t1 < navy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< pirate.

If it was just damage, i would be calm ... ok. But its insane speed, insane point range combined with almost insta hitting missiles (just turrets without tracking i would say). On top of that can use any damage type on both drones and missiles.

Hammer really should hit it along with Gila , rather sooner than later. Yet gila must receive massive nerf not slight. Orthrus can go along with small.

Barghest - ship looks awesome like all Mordu ships. Yet it's not strong as garmur or orthrus in their respective classes.
Does it mean its weak ? Not at all. But it's just not broken ... it may be healthy in the end as it should avoid nerf hammer in future.
All in all decent , unique ship. And the design - worth just for the last part ;pp.
Mario Putzo
#1368 - 2014-06-06 13:58:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
wrote:
Naomi Ship is supposed to be better via t1 < navy < pirate. Not t1 < navy <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< pirate.


Nope. What do you think CCP has spent the last 2 years doing with ship rebalancing? They are getting rid of the tier system. Some ships are different, some are better in certain roles than others, some are more cost effective, some are less skill intensive, some are more skill intensive.

The end goal was to not have ships "rank" dictate their power.

Which is why there is nothing wrong with the Mordus ships, they all have counters, their counters are all readily accessible to players, and their counters are varied in ship size and play style.
Zamyslinski
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1369 - 2014-06-06 23:14:04 UTC
Lost my first garmur because of DD...


Ship itself feels strong but thats about it. That feeling comes not from the damage not from the tank.
Its just the long range point and missile range that gives the ship alot of staying power on grid.

you can kite as long as you wish unless you **** up.

the speed without fitting mods is slower than most ceptors, pirate frigs (dd,dram) and is catchable.
My next fit will be modified since i know exactly what would save me today.


In general its a beefed up crow with more range less speed.
the missile vel bonus makes the damage aplication to frigates quite good. It hits nearly perfectly though doesnt really feel op
since the dps itself is kinda low.


Cant say anything about the criuser yet those price a ridiciulous.


CCP should consider adding more agents or do something abou t aquiring those bpc so we can actually buy those ships

but from what i saw on sisi 100mn snaked tengu is still boss and about same price as the orthus


Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1370 - 2014-06-07 01:27:38 UTC
Zamyslinski wrote:
Lost my first garmur because of DD...


Ship itself feels strong but thats about it. That feeling comes not from the damage not from the tank.
Its just the long range point and missile range that gives the ship alot of staying power on grid.

you can kite as long as you wish unless you **** up.

the speed without fitting mods is slower than most ceptors, pirate frigs (dd,dram) and is catchable.
My next fit will be modified since i know exactly what would save me today.


In general its a beefed up crow with more range less speed.
the missile vel bonus makes the damage aplication to frigates quite good. It hits nearly perfectly though doesnt really feel op
since the dps itself is kinda low.


Cant say anything about the criuser yet those price a ridiciulous.


CCP should consider adding more agents or do something abou t aquiring those bpc so we can actually buy those ships

but from what i saw on sisi 100mn snaked tengu is still boss and about same price as the orthus




Barg is going for 2.3 bil in jita right now..What a laugh.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1371 - 2014-06-07 01:47:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Hagika wrote:
Barg is going for 2.3 bil in jita right now..What a laugh.

Why? Vindicators used to go for around $1.4-billion, and you've seen the Nestor - right? They were trying to get upwards of $5-billion on the first day, and they've only been out a week...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1372 - 2014-06-07 01:57:45 UTC
A vindi is worth its price. Nestor not so much. The barg certainly isnt
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1373 - 2014-06-07 02:06:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Hagika wrote:
A vindi is worth its price. Nestor not so much. The barg certainly isnt

I hear what you're saying - it's still rather expensive. I've already paid for the difference in mine several times over.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#1374 - 2014-06-07 08:47:46 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
So what's the general consensus on the new Mordu's Legion ships? Thumbs up - thumbs down - somewhere in-between?


I got one orthrus on sisi with 16 kills undefeated. With rlml its a capable skirmisher and even brawler if you fit hg crystals and use a blue pill. It's a nice ship that's held back by crucially low capacitor and the natural limitations of missiles let it down. Theres nothing which can be done there unfortunately without missiles getting rebalanced themselves so they're not so terrible.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#1375 - 2014-06-07 09:06:13 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
So what's the general consensus on the new Mordu's Legion ships? Thumbs up - thumbs down - somewhere in-between?


I got one orthrus on sisi with 16 kills undefeated. With rlml its a capable skirmisher and even brawler if you fit hg crystals and use a blue pill.


Everything is good with HG pirate imps. Get a breacher with links, HG crystals and blue pill and it actually solos cynabal+orthrus. Would die within 10 seconds without imps/drugs/links. But hey, 16 kills undefeated.
Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#1376 - 2014-06-07 09:12:27 UTC
In an environment where people run fully decked out pirate ships with hg implants and 6% implants. Don't knock sisi until you've tried it.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1377 - 2014-06-09 10:29:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Kagura Nikon
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Naomi Knight wrote:
What are these ships good for? They seem rather weak.

Oh and barghest so ugly way too flat.


If you think these ships are bad..

Well it indicates that you yourself might be quite bad.



That guy is among the most famous example of clueless inhabitant of this forums. Everything is horrible and minmatar is completely OP always for him. So better to not answer and not feed him...

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1378 - 2014-06-09 10:31:26 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
In an environment where people run fully decked out pirate ships with hg implants and 6% implants. Don't knock sisi until you've tried it.



We do run like that full time in TQ. There are enviroments for every type of conditions.....

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Mario Putzo
#1379 - 2014-06-09 13:48:36 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
In an environment where people run fully decked out pirate ships with hg implants and 6% implants. Don't knock sisi until you've tried it.



We do run like that full time in TQ. There are enviroments for every type of conditions.....


There is a difference between EVERYONE Max fitting pods/ships, and a very large minority doing so. I would wager that at best maybe 10% of all pilots actively fly around in HG's, with 6% implants, and Faction Fit all the things. Probably even less than that to be quite honest.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1380 - 2014-06-09 23:50:54 UTC
Hagika wrote:
I dislike rapids very much, they seem to be good only in 1 niche role and that is a group. The reload time is ridiculous, and heavy missiles are garbage.

Rapids on a Barghest are marginally better due to the inherent missile damage and velocity bonuses. This results in more damage than hulls with rate of fire bonuses and fewer lost volleys due to the high missile velocity. The reload timers make a huge difference psychologically (even though it takes the same amount of time, it seems less).

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.