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[Kronos] Mordu's Legion

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Twisted Chick
Sebiestor Tribe
#1341 - 2014-06-03 22:12:36 UTC
I'm noticing a CPU problem with these ship which is making it a pain to get a fit working, mainly on the Frigate.

Oh and I can conform that everyone and their grandma regardless of being in highsec are shooting at these ships. (lucky for me, I got away)

Title: She who hunts Pandas

"Remember you can't spell Slaughter without Laughter!"

          ~Pinkamena Diane Pie~
viverxia
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1342 - 2014-06-03 22:35:38 UTC
Igor Nappi wrote:
bcpror9981 wrote:
i think they need to be added to 0.0 as a bpc drop somewhere like mach / nightmare bpc's.


The whole point of the BPCs dropping only in lowsec is creating new content to the worst neglected area of space, lowsec. The BPCs should most definitely not drop in nullsec.

Edit: Lowsec belt ratting can be done in fully PVP capable ships so go get'em.



ah low sec ratting.. my one true foe :p
Medalyn Isis
Doomheim
#1343 - 2014-06-03 22:40:37 UTC
Twisted Chick wrote:
I'm noticing a CPU problem with these ship which is making it a pain to get a fit working, mainly on the Frigate.

Oh and I can conform that everyone and their grandma regardless of being in highsec are shooting at these ships. (lucky for me, I got away)

The frigate is fine for cpu.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1344 - 2014-06-04 02:05:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Overall I like the Barghest based on what I saw on SiSi. I think I would prefer it with 6 launchers (-1), 7 high slots (-1), a +50% missile damage bonus, or +0.25 more effective launchers) and an additional low slot for a total of 7 (+1).

Anyone else figure out the two references? "1CADK-1134" and "MB 4151".

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1345 - 2014-06-04 19:49:36 UTC
So the Barg has less dps than a navy raven, and far less the hitting ability...Awesome job there. A useless ship for over a billion isk.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1346 - 2014-06-04 19:53:30 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
[TEST Garmur, New Setup 2]
Internal Force Field Array I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I
Dread Guristas Warp Disruptor
Balmer Series Tracking Disruptor I, Optimal Range Disruption Script
Prototype Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script

Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile
Light Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Light Missile

Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Processor Overclocking Unit I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

4.4k ehp with 192dps preheat, preimplants. That will detroy any retri or wolf, you have a 36km pointrange and a td. Would be a tought match vs a daredevil and im really not sure about the corax.


Its a pirate faction ship, its supposed too. If T2 ships are beating up a far more expensive pirate ship, something is wrong.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1347 - 2014-06-04 21:33:48 UTC
Hagika wrote:
So the Barg has less dps than a navy raven, and far less the hitting ability...Awesome job there. A useless ship for over a billion isk.
Bargh should have higher volley and DPS than a navy Raven unless you only have Caldari BS lvl 2 or lower, in which case the Barghest is probably not the best ship for you.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1348 - 2014-06-05 00:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Hagika
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hagika wrote:
So the Barg has less dps than a navy raven, and far less the hitting ability...Awesome job there. A useless ship for over a billion isk.
Bargh should have higher volley and DPS than a navy Raven unless you only have Caldari BS lvl 2 or lower, in which case the Barghest is probably not the best ship for you.


I have Cal BS 5. It has a slight higher alpha, but slight lower dps. Though the Raven will easily out damage it just on the bonus alone.

At the cost of the Barg, it should be darn near Vindi dps or a little bit more since it lack application bonus.

There is no sense in bringing out a Pirate missile boat when the less than half cost navy boat is better in most every way but point range..
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1349 - 2014-06-05 00:43:31 UTC
Hagika wrote:
I have Cal BS 5. It has a slight higher alpha, but slight lower dps. Though the Raven will easily out damage it just on the bonus alone.

There's no way the Navy Raven can out-dps the Barghest, because the Barghest is 8.75 effective launchers vs. the 8 on a Navy Raven.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1350 - 2014-06-05 02:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Hagika
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hagika wrote:
I have Cal BS 5. It has a slight higher alpha, but slight lower dps. Though the Raven will easily out damage it just on the bonus alone.

There's no way the Navy Raven can out-dps the Barghest, because the Barghest is 8.75 effective launchers vs. the 8 on a Navy Raven.



The Barg gets a higher alpha, and a slight higher. 28 dps higher navy raven but application bonus easily makes up for alot more than that.
Yes its higher.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1351 - 2014-06-05 02:12:16 UTC
Hagika wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hagika wrote:
I have Cal BS 5. It has a slight higher alpha, but slight lower dps. Though the Raven will easily out damage it just on the bonus alone.

There's no way the Navy Raven can out-dps the Barghest, because the Barghest is 8.75 effective launchers vs. the 8 on a Navy Raven.



The Barg gets a higher alpha, the raven navy gets higher dps. It also gets a application bonus.

Yes it gets higher dps both ways.
Willing to bet the issue is that you have fitted them differently. As stated the Navy Raven lacks any damage bonus so the damage bonus on the Barghest provides superior DPS.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1352 - 2014-06-05 02:14:16 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hagika wrote:
I have Cal BS 5. It has a slight higher alpha, but slight lower dps. Though the Raven will easily out damage it just on the bonus alone.

There's no way the Navy Raven can out-dps the Barghest, because the Barghest is 8.75 effective launchers vs. the 8 on a Navy Raven.



The Barg gets a higher alpha, the raven navy gets higher dps. It also gets a application bonus.

Yes it gets higher dps both ways.
Willing to bet the issue is that you have fitted them differently. As stated the Navy Raven lacks any damage bonus so the damage bonus on the Barghest provides superior DPS.


Had ammo difference, so 28 dps in favor of Barg, yet raven will easily do more with app bonus.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1353 - 2014-06-05 02:15:05 UTC
Hagika wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hagika wrote:
I have Cal BS 5. It has a slight higher alpha, but slight lower dps. Though the Raven will easily out damage it just on the bonus alone.

There's no way the Navy Raven can out-dps the Barghest, because the Barghest is 8.75 effective launchers vs. the 8 on a Navy Raven.



The Barg gets a higher alpha, the raven navy gets higher dps. It also gets a application bonus.

Yes it gets higher dps both ways.
Willing to bet the issue is that you have fitted them differently. As stated the Navy Raven lacks any damage bonus so the damage bonus on the Barghest provides superior DPS.


Had ammo difference, so 28 dps in favor of Barg, yet raven will easily do more with app bonus.


Sorry corrected it, but regardless, the raven is a better ship for a metric ton less isk.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1354 - 2014-06-05 02:24:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Hagika wrote:
Had ammo difference, so 28 dps in favor of Barg, yet raven will easily do more with app bonus.
@ 8.75 launchers with Caldari BS V on the Barghest vs 8.0 on the RNI that suggests a total DPS of ~330 for the Barg and ~300 for the RNI assuming everything else is equal.

That seems low.

That said, I don't entirely disagree with your assessment. The raw damage gain is just under 10% and to top is off it lacks the application bonus, though I'm assuming the massive speed/agility advantage combined with the point range is considered adequate reasoning for it.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1355 - 2014-06-05 02:34:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Hagika
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Had ammo difference, so 28 dps in favor of Barg, yet raven will easily do more with app bonus.
@ 8.75 launchers with Caldari BS V on the Barghest vs 8.0 on the RNI that suggests a total DPS of ~330 for the Barg and ~300 for the RNI assuming everything else is equal.

That seems low.

That said, I don't entirely disagree with your assessment. The raw damage gain is just under 10% and to top is off it lacks the damage bonus, though I'm assuming the massive speed/agility advantage combined with the point range is considered adequate reasoning for it.


Speed and agility means nothing in a world of fast tackle. Certainly not for a ship t
hat is going to be well over 1 bil isk, just on the difficulty on getting alone.

Of course a better comparison is the Fleet phoon. Its nearly matches the Barg aside from point range and has far higher dps.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1356 - 2014-06-05 03:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Hagika wrote:
Sorry corrected it, but regardless, the raven is a better ship for a metric ton less isk.

Perhaps on a per ISK basis. However, the lower signature of the Barghest negates quite a bit of damage just on its own. What I'm kind of curious on is how it fits through the stargates...

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Caleb Seremshur
Naked Oiled Bodybuilders
Parasitic Legion.
#1357 - 2014-06-05 04:23:26 UTC
Star gates are slingshots. They grab your magnetic signature and throw you.
Hagika
Standard Corp 123
#1358 - 2014-06-05 10:26:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Hagika
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Hagika wrote:
Sorry corrected it, but regardless, the raven is a better ship for a metric ton less isk.

Perhaps on a per ISK basis. However, the lower signature of the Barghest negates quite a bit of damage just on its own. What I'm kind of curious on is how it fits through the stargates...


Application of damage as well.

Yeah the Barg has a neat shape, its the one thing i like about it. Its unique. She is not fat, she is big boned =)
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1359 - 2014-06-05 10:54:43 UTC
Hagika wrote:
Application of damage as well. Yeah the Barg has a neat shape, its the one thing i like about it. Its unique. She is not fat, she is big boned =)

The Barghest is really geared towards rapid heavy missile launchers (which one could never really capitalize on). You really don't need to utilize any rigs, but I've gone with a Rigor-II, Hydraulic-II and Flare-I which basically eliminates having to run a target painter or web.

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Naomi Knight
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1360 - 2014-06-05 12:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Knight
What are these ships good for? They seem rather weak.

Oh and barghest so ugly way too flat.