EVE General Discussion

What actual evidence do you have that it was Gevlon? Do you believe everything you see on the Interwebz?

Point of fact, a country can exist without sovereignty.

The Seneca Nation was recognized as a sovereign state in an act of US Congress. That's really all that's technically required. There are all sorts of shades that follow, and this is probably not the forum for a discussion of international politics and all the dog and pony shows that go along with it, but in a nutshell all that's really required is that one or more other countries recognize it as sovereign. This was the issue China had with the UN for many years was they were NOT recognized, even though they were the de facto rulers of China.

I dunno if this helps explain this at all, but basically we're sovereign because we have paper that says so. In theory we could have our own armies and prisons etc, we have the money, but at the moment the status quo is to the benefit of all parties. We sit back and make lots of money, and slowly buy back our territory from the US. It's slow going, but we've been making headway buying up Buffalo and Niagara Falls, and are working on other areas.

For a country to exist, all that's really required is that it has a legal jurisdiction over it's citizens. It doesn't have to be independent of anyone. An occupied country is still a country, but it is absolutely not sovereign.


A big part of it is how the people see themselves as well. I see myself as Seneca first and a US citizen somewhere down around 3. This is something we've been working on with our own schools, hospitals, and so on, because national identity is a big part of a country being sovereign.

They should have added more space between peoples' names, they all run together.

That hacker guy zerocool from the movie Hackers is on that panel, maybe give him a call and have him trace the IP through the JPEG code protocol interwebs signature routers. computers.

It is not what "we" style ourselves as, but rather how "we" are recognized by other sovereign countries. We have, through treaties, agreed to pay federal taxes in return for recognition as citizens of the US and the protection of our lands by the US, but we could also choose to stop paying those taxes, renounce our citizenship and declare war on any country we so choose. Would that end well for us? Probably not, but that doesn't somehow negate our ability to do so. Like I admitted, I'm being nitpicky with this, but I just can't help it. The simple truth is that the obsession with classifying sovereign land as merely a "reservation," the fact that almost nobody knows that we even exist, let alone that we exist as a separate and equal people, and that we are more than just a "few hundred people" is a bit demeaning to me. Nobody argues the sovereignty of Canada or Mexico, though they only exist at the good will of the US. Nobody argues that Germany, France, England, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Switzerland and every other European country aren't their own, separate, independent and sovereign countries even though they only exist because of the intervention of the US in WWII and later the graciousness of the US in returning their borders to the prewar lines. And yet, because we constitute such a tiny minority of people, we're treated as an after thought. Perhaps it's not malicious on your part, and I'm sure it isn't, but the fact is that most people still see us as secondary. You see it as reservations, where we see it as our homes, our lives, our heritage and our future. You see us as a tiny group of people dependent on the US to survive, where we see it as a tiny group of people too proud to lie down and die. Our sovereignty is not a right bequeathed to us by others, it is a right inherent to us that is as inalienable as those outlined in the Constitution. We're not just "some people" trying to style ourselves as something greater, rather we're a great people trying to preserve who we are and to remind others that we're still here.

I hope so but it looked like stone to me. That is rough!!

I think they think of this as a thank you gift from CCP. Oh CCP by the way thank you for the Gift. Troll over.

I had no idea this was up already. That didn't take very long.

On topic, this is pretty sad and definitely juvenile. I liked what The Mittani wrote on Twitter:



Sums it up quite nicely, really.

Sounds like he is, and he was about to provide all the proof he has to confirm it, Right?

Wow. That is really low.

No, not at all. How about quoting the full post and not just part that helps you push an imagined agenda.

I was saying, it's difficult to judge the person who did this without the facts, even though we can all hate the act and see permanent ban as the appropriate outcome.

People do stupid and dumb things. Even people who later regret their actions. Calling the person scum, etc. doesn't serve much purpose.