Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Learn to do maths.

so these two ships have already pg/capacitor issue, so lets get them even less, so we are sure to doom them.

when i saw the changes for the frigs, i was only hopping one thing, that you didn't put your dirty fingers on the cruisers and BS.

and this is why i was hopping this, good job, keep ruining the game, i can't wait to see what you will do to the mach and vindi

Naomi and a few others talk with no experience. Probably just FW scrubs flying epic solo frigate battles and then coming on here making terrible suggestions. Anyone who says any blaster ship has no problem applying its dps really has no clue.

I'm not sure about the Vigilant and the Cynabel, but to me it seems the complaints are reasonable. I wouldn't be surprised if Rise is currently quickly re-doing the Cynabel right now as it seems he hasn't thought that one through.

Actually i undock ships. Sorry but i do. And not to fight asteroids on belts.

Real scenario tells me vigilant got no problem to get into 2.5km optimal in no time.

Also i had pleasure to fight linked Rail Vigilants - oh trust me it's real pleasure. We are not speaking about 2.5km range now.

I fully support your statement that "Range is part of damage application" - and there is no better cruiser in game to dictate range than Vigilant. Yes even poor recons are outclassed in thier own stuff by this "ship without utility". Thanks for actually supporting my claims.

And even with blasters - it actually does not have that horrible range - especially with null (still not bad dps on top of that ) . It's not like it does not have falloff bonus. But why use null when you can void your opponent into oblivion after rendering it immobile.

It's not complaining about blasters. Blasters are ok for what they do. But once you make blaster dps unavoidable ... then we got some problem.


And you know what ? I don't even mind if vigilant stays completly how it is now ... i mind other thing - that people like you think it's not broken op. Because at the end of the day - i can just fly my own vigilant and enjoy broken opness. Point is i would love to see some sort of sane balance in this game.

So -150 PG on the Vigilant.

Well so much for the Neutron Blaster/10MWD/1600 plated Vigilant.

That fit already needed some pimping to get it fit like that and I have perfect skills for it.

This is now another ship I need to sell because of your ******** changes. Nerf the bloody web bones like you did with the bloody Kronos (which I also Sold) but for gods sake leave that PG alone.

What next? You going to remove my ability to fit HAM Launchers on my Legion. I get the feeling your idiot liking for shield fitted ships is influencing your changes. I am starting to get the feeling that you have something against those that prefer Armor over shield fits.

thats a good point ! don´t kill the drone flexibility of the only shield tanked drone boats.
the perfect ships for this "specific drones only" experiment are the serpentis.

the serpentis ships should be close range dps platforms.
but there are serveral problems with the stats
the 90% web bonus to keep the enemy at close range is too strong
the tank is too weak because it needs time to get in close range ( especially with the PG nerf )
the cap is too low ( 5 blaster, AB or MWD, point + web = unstable and neut/nos victim especially with the nos buff )

the new gila would be a better close range dps platforms than the vigilant while still having more tank and more cap.
this makes no sense.

Vigilant:

Gallente Cruiser: 10% bonus to Medium Hybrid Turret damage

Minmatar Cruiser: 7,5% bonus to Stasis Webifier range and effectivness

Role bonus: 100% bonus to Heavy Drone hitpoints and damage

lolwut

You cant be serious right?

if you can't manage to avoid being webbed by a vigilant flying a stabber you are terrible.

by the time he locks you, you already are outside of his scramm / web range, if not, you were sleeping afk at your keyboard, and deserve to die

same goes for stabber, stabber fleet, cynabal, scythe fleet, vaga, caracal (all variants)......

18.2km?? the best you can fit is 15km

Ah also i can see Gila being most powerful ... where i said it won't be ? I will put many dozens of stocked gilas to extensive testing. I hope you are right ... i will speak to you after derping 20 or more of those hulls with impunity ;).
Just like worm may end up being best pirate frig. Because MASSIVE tank and MASSIVE dps combined is never bad thing. To be able to outdps opponent and outtank - is never getting old.

But sorry to destroy your illushion of Serpentis ships - but most prefered version of daredevil and most powerful one at same time is - raildevil. Gl kiting this thing. Rail Vigilants also exist. As someone who actually saw those in action - can recommend those ships as true monsters. Now with more lockrange and more speed - they ain't gonna getting weaker than they are.

Trust me rail Serpentis ships are real ... and most of the time i beg serpentis ship to be blaster brawler rather than rail monstrosity.

But hey it was said i'm eft warrior with no experience who never saw those ships other than in EFT.

Maybe i was just dreaming ? Maybe it was just deja vu ? But from what i have seen serpentis ships are true terror to face.
Not saying you cannot kill one or you cannot counter some - see sentinel for more info on this topic. But in most of situations those ships are just insane and close to being unbeatable (although ship ... is ship , but player can make mistakes in fitting vessel or piloting it).

It's just simple mechanics - i killed legion in dragoon solo - true story. Because it decided it bump me from gate - so i webbed/scrammed it and was orbiting it at 500m where it couldnt hit me. Legion pilot made huge mistake by closing to me , instead of using scorch to wear me down like it should lol. Does it make Legion bad ship ? Does dragoon have edge over legion ? The same edge most of ships have over serpentis ships - bad pilots. Because hull itself is just insanely strong in right hands.

Killing Vigilants in Stabber is some joke. Everyone know this. A good one tho - so +1 for wtf factor.