EVE General Discussion

Some of us gave up talking and simply acted to back up our stance. Try it sometime.

Maybe they treat Eve like real life because it is their real life. Like, maybe they have nothing going on in their life apart from Eve? Just a thought.

All PvP games die with the following first step:

* lets force people to be nice

New players have absolutely no trouble in EVE unless they bring undo attention to themselves.

CSM8 August minutes, Session 5.

We prefer the term vigilante.

More to the point, they're babies in the sense that they're largely ignorant of how the game works, and abjectly dependant on both an indifferent parent (the tutorials) and other people in the game (live or via blogs and wikis) to learn. If you enjoy lording your knowledge of the game over other people and taking advantage of whatever preconceptions they might have, they're easy prey and they're incapable of fighting back effectively, so they're more likely to helplessly resort to OOC threats and complaints--tears, basically. Not only do you get to savor the tears, you get the additional thrill of reporting them.

That's why you can't gank in the newbie systems, although, predictably, that prohibition only dares people to see how closely they can toe the line.

We've all been there, some of us even learnt from it.

Not that many people actually pick on newbies, most players are incredibly supportive of newbies that are willing to accept Eve for what it is, especially if they possess a healthy attitude towards it. However some newbies, and some players that should know better through experience, seem to do nothing but pick faults with a game that in all honesty they aren't suited to. They expect the game to change for them, instead of adapting to the game. They pretty much deserve everything they get, if only because they're either trolling, or trying to turn a game that many of us are quite happy to play, despite its harsh nature, into something it is not.

I'll happily chime in.

As the CEO of a PVP corp of the newest SOV holding entity, BRAVE Collective, of HERO Coalition - I love this post.

I could not agree with your sentiments harder. I love your post so hard that I want to take it out to dinner, tell it sweet nothings, get married by eloping to the Caribbean, settle down, and make little baby posts that can run around spreading their wee little message of culture (and odd imagery).

Joking aside, THIS is the only thing that I do worry about in EVE. BRAVE, in general, was created with the idea that 1) newbies can have fun, and should have fun, from day one and 2) you don't have to be an **shole to have fun. And let me tell you, an Alliance running around espousing those sentiments has drawn in some hateful, spiteful, ugly people who try to camp us daily. They purposefully will camp pipes in order to ONLY gank the newbies coming to join us, and won't fight an older player. Local is filled with sperging hatred several times a day, TMC comments are downright mean, and Reddit .... well, nuff said, "Reddit". And dear-god-in-heaven, when we took those 2 Sov systems, it seems like we opened a portal to a new level of hate against us. Local chat makes my eyes bleed now.

Funny thing though - Brave Newbies has become Brave Collective. Then it became part of HERO. It now has Sov. In spite of all the 'bittervets' constantly talking down to us, or calling our members names, or making fun of us, we've grown to become one of the largest entities in the game. How?

Because we celebrate our members. We joke about ourselves, but never about our enemies or each other. We cheer for our enemy's victory in battle as much as we applaud our own. And if a newer member does something over the line? We pull them aside and tell them "No. That is not our way, friend." We are trying our very best to change this culture (TEST - to your credit - you are using racial slurs less now, so thank you :P). An entirely crazy notion - we play this game to have fun, and want the same for you.

I didn't just fall in line with the mantra when I joined, obviously. I've always been this way myself. I've got more than one post on my blog about this subject - or ones near enough the subject - including one post that garnered tens of thousands of views that was about the fact that we the good folk in EVE far outweigh the little sh**stains of evil.

We chose Brave over other, established null entities that wanted us to fold in with them because Brave's philosophy was in line with our own. Frankly, I know we're making a difference out there. I see it. Let's hope it continues.

7o

those werent actual figures, more best guesses from ccp. go on, show me actual measure data of people who quit eve because they playing solo.

A lot of the idiocy in game stems from players inability to get kills easily. Unfortunately EVE's fleet fights and its advertising campaigns show a vision of hundreds to thousands of targets, apparently in a never ending stream of brave suicidal supply.

The reality is anything but - the aspiring w.. ganker logs in hoping to be an evil pirate but then finds himself confronted by high sec and gets repeatedly ganked by concord...

So he moves to low, and finds himself sitting at a low sec gate watching cloaky haulers zipping by unable to be se... molested.

So now we have a loser, who would be better off in an FPS, hanging around in EvE unable to get kills because of a lack of patience, logic, intelligence.

Those losers gravitate towards each other of course and then we have blobs of losers who lack the ability to get kills. . .

So they exploit as far as they can around the grey area's of the game..

Disclaimer: I'm using exploit in this case correctly, not the EvE version which usually means CCP doesn't approve, but may not necessarily be an exploit in regards of the actual definition of the word.