EVE General Discussion

Holy ****, that's like, Buddha level wisdom you just dropped.

Nirvana's just a steps away, buddy. Keep reaching for that brass ring.

Good words. Except they aren't too widely accepted by the EVE playerbase as a whole, it seems.

At least, I've been told in places, that unless you play EVE to ruthlessly murder other players you "aren't playing EVE right". The only acceptable way to play is to PvP. Which is just false.

EVE is player-driven. This doesn't imply it's PvP-oriented. The game is just run by the players. There's nothing wrong with being a mission runner, a ratter, an incursion person, a militia-wo/man, wanting to get into huge fleet battles, etc.

Ganking is still lame though. But that's personal opinion.

I should have specified, my fault...

I only use one single account. I'm letting my alt fade away. Some poeople vote against that, and I completely understand why. I used to be a miner. But now, that I'm a "fighter", I would like to use only a single character, and rely on others to do other tasks. In my opinion, THAT is what EvE is about. Or at least, what I want my experience to be. My anology would be: Like on a football team, or football video game (insert any team sport you'd like). If I create a character, train him, put the attribute points where I prefer, get him through the basics and into a team, etc... I want to focus and "master" his role as best I can. I would't want to play quarterback AND a running back at the same time. I don't disagree with it. But it's just not how I want my experience in New Eden to be. I rather just try to master my particular role, and let everyone else do their jobs as well. To me it's like, if I can have (afford) 10 accounts and have each of them in a specific role to compliment each other, why would i need anyone's help, a corp, a fleet, etc.? And RP is, or should be, a big part of EvE, for me. Relying on people, your fleet, corp, alliance, and their roles as well... That's what makes New Eden go round' LOL

That's because PLEX never drops.

You think the morons would have figured this out by now, but nope.

I suicide gank, but not for reasons of ego.

Your understanding of EVE seems somewhat limited. The intended target stands a very good chance of defeating you. After all, the target has a perfectly reliable and perfectly effective fleet to back them up. All they have to do is survived for a fixed amount of time and they have defeated the gank attempt. How often would you engage a target in PvP if you you they had on overwhelming fleet that will warp into support them in 15 seconds?

Haulers have all kinds of methods at their disposal for defeating gankers. They can fit a tank. They can fit warp stabs. They can always warp to zero and they can uses insta-undock bookmarks. Most importantly, they can pay attention.

I gank miners. Miners have an even easier time avoiding tanks if they chose. Most of the time they just don't choose to use the many tools that CCP has given them to stay safe while mining in hisec.

There are plenty of times when I will gank a mining ship and then return 15 minutes later in rookie ships to pop the pod that I wasn't able to get the first time. Or I'll come back and kill the mining ship that sitting in the belt right next to the one I ganked the first time.

If someone wants to afk mine that is fine with me. I'm just there to point out that decisions inEVE have consequences.

I assume you're talking about CONCORD as the fleet, right?
Yeah, sure CONCORD is around but put yourself into the shoes of your average hauler/miner, with little EVE experience.

You know about CONCORD and hisec security. Would you think anyone is going to risk attacking you, knowing they'll get podded for it? Probably not. Sure, there's ways to survive those gank encounters, but how many average everyday-Joes are going to invest (potentially) more then the ship hull is worth, to survive a POTENTIAL gank?

Unless they're going to low/null, they would probably assume high is pretty safe. Which it usually is.

That being said, I can't fault miners for going AFK. Mining is about as fun as watching paint dry. It is, however, a terrible practice. Like autopilot.

I don't think anybody ganks for an "ego boost." Some folks who think like that are basically carebears who don't really understand what sort of person would enjoy ganking or why.

The most common motivation for gankers is that it makes us giggle to make some unsuspecting person suddenly explode. Isk profit tends to come a distant second, although some people are pretty good at that side of it. Personally I only even loot the wrecks most of the time just to prevent the gankee from coming back and getting his stuff, not because I want it for myself.

"it makes us giggle to make some unsuspecting person suddenly explode"... Not sure where you're from pal, but that's called "stroking your ego". You just became a hypocrite.

Well said.

I will absolutely guarantee that some folks gank for the ego boost. Far, far too human a motivation to categorically rule it out.

Ganking falls under the same motivation as vandals experience. Some do it for attention (ego), certainly, but other motivations include a desire to punish, to teach a lesson, nihilism (watch the world burn), long-term planning (such as to drive a corporation from a particular operations area, or interdict minerals for market manipulation), humor or amuesment (comedy kills), grudges (could potentially end in banning, if carried too far), a desire to prove a point about some game mechanic to CCP or to the player base, and more reasons beyond.


Seems to me taht Haedonism Bot is a nihilist. Which is fine by me.