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To gank or not to gank, that is the question...

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Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-01-15 15:50:08 UTC
(If this topic belongs on a different feed, let me know)

I'll keep it short and simple...

I've been watching a lot of videos on YouTube of suicide ganking fleets and corps, and... I get it. The only thing no one is explaining is how 1.5 billion isk, spread between 20 or so people, is worth it. I've seen some pretty damn expensive frigate fittings, and I'm just not understanding the benefit of suicide ganking. Besides the ego boost that someone mentioned gaining from it. So please, explain this.
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
#2 - 2014-01-15 15:53:32 UTC
I think you already answered it with that ego boosting.
Not everything in EVE is motivated by financial gain. It's also a game where ganking is something that is expected. Some people love that kind of thing.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-01-15 15:58:27 UTC
Ganking is for knuckle draggers that cant work the market tab.

Pog mo thoin

Batelle
Filthy Peasants
#4 - 2014-01-15 15:59:37 UTC
1.5bn / 20 = 75m per person. At 1 gank per 15 minutes that's 300m per hour per person. Especially if you're not even tabbed into game during the 15 minutes when your criminal timer runs out.

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Notorious Fellon
#5 - 2014-01-15 16:09:25 UTC
Batelle wrote:
1.5bn / 20 = 75m per person. At 1 gank per 15 minutes that's 300m per hour per person. Especially if you're not even tabbed into game during the 15 minutes when your criminal timer runs out.



Is the current environment that rich in bling fits worth ganking though? I know there are some running around doing missions but one every 15 minutes?

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.

Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-01-15 16:22:29 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Batelle wrote:
1.5bn / 20 = 75m per person. At 1 gank per 15 minutes that's 300m per hour per person. Especially if you're not even tabbed into game during the 15 minutes when your criminal timer runs out.



Is the current environment that rich in bling fits worth ganking though? I know there are some running around doing missions but one every 15 minutes?



Personally, I have NOT seen or even heard of ANY fleets that say there is a worthy gank every 15 minutes. From what I've heard from not only my own corp, but others also, is that they wait around (usually playing the market or creating contracts) for their scouts to report to them with intel on a worthy target. Which is usually hours and hours in between. I'm sure Some well-established corps have special intel on popular routes and locations for targets, but the majority have to wait hours.

Ego boost= not worth it.
75 million isk= worth it

Tuk'ata Rucor
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-01-15 16:25:33 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Ganking is for knuckle draggers that cant work the market tab.


I'm guessing you've gotten ganked before. I've been down the market route... I crunch numbers and manage products at work for 12 hours a day, I want to blow things up. Not a second job. I understand tho. There are other ways to PVP and NOT gank people. I'm looking into those options as well.
Carmen Electra
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2014-01-15 16:32:50 UTC
I used to be pretty active in ganking, but I haven't been doing it as much recently just because the profitability is just very unpredictable. In my experience, there most certainly is not a gank-worthy target every 15 minutes!

TBH, coordinating a ganker, scanner, and scooper is a lot of work, and my hat goes off to all the gankers out there. Most people consider it too much work and risk, and just opt to steal other ganker's loot (which is really easy to do).
acemastr Ocer
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2014-01-15 16:36:17 UTC
Ganking doesn't have to be 20 people, a single person sitting with an alt can pick off an industrial that's (rather idiotically) running around with 30bil in their cargo, scoop > profit.
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-01-15 16:37:39 UTC
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Ganking is for knuckle draggers that cant work the market tab.


I'm guessing you've gotten ganked before. I've been down the market route... I crunch numbers and manage products at work for 12 hours a day, I want to blow things up. Not a second job. I understand tho. There are other ways to PVP and NOT gank people. I'm looking into those options as well.


Of course I have, I once lost about 6 billion to a gank. I have nothing against ganking, it's a part of eve but I do have an issue with full time gankers.

What is the point in playing a game as complex as Eve Online if all you are going to do is be an F1 monkey 24/7.

Pog mo thoin

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#11 - 2014-01-15 16:41:43 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Ganking is for knuckle draggers that cant work the market tab.


I'm guessing you've gotten ganked before. I've been down the market route... I crunch numbers and manage products at work for 12 hours a day, I want to blow things up. Not a second job. I understand tho. There are other ways to PVP and NOT gank people. I'm looking into those options as well.


Of course I have, I once lost about 6 billion to a gank. I have nothing against ganking, it's a part of eve but I do have an issue with full time gankers.

What is the point in playing a game as complex as Eve Online if all you are going to do is be an F1 monkey 24/7.


What ship was that, a freighter I suppose?

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#12 - 2014-01-15 16:44:10 UTC
You can do suicide ganking solo and make vast amounts of ISK. Just peruse some of the killboards such as EVE Kill etc. I watch what others do locally and a lot of ISK is made this way often just using a Catalyst or occasionally a cruiser or Batlecruiser. I will mention no names so as not to draw attention to them but they only do this or seem to.

There are SO many idiots flying unsuitable ships such as T1 industrials and other weak ships like Retrievers filled literally with billions of ISK worth of stuff including PLEX. I read a kill for Retriever the other day that had no tank and a load of valuable cargo including a PLEX. The PLEX didn't drop on that one but a big profit was still made if I recall correctly.

Sadly most humans are unintelligent - and quite a few of them are haulers in New Eden.
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
#13 - 2014-01-15 16:46:17 UTC
Bethan Le Troix wrote:
You can do suicide ganking solo and make vast amounts of ISK. Just peruse some of the killboards such as EVE Kill etc. I watch what others do locally and a lot of ISK is made this way often just using a Catalyst or occasionally a cruiser or Batlecruiser. I will mention no names so as not to draw attention to them but they only do this or seem to.

There are SO many idiots flying unsuitable ships such as T1 industrials and other weak ships like Retrievers filled literally with billions of ISK worth of stuff including PLEX. I read a kill for Retriever the other day that had no tank and a load of valuable cargo including a PLEX. The PLEX didn't drop on that one but a big profit was still made if I recall correctly.

Sadly most humans are unintelligent - and quite a few of them are haulers in New Eden.


It's not really unexpected though. At least, if it's a "newbie" they may not realize that EVE is, well, a hive of scum and villainy. It takes personal experience, or reading about it, to realize this is very true.

Of course, if it's the same people having it happen to them, then yeah, they're just stupid. Getting yourself blown up with valuables in the hold once, is just a learning experience.

Doing it again, just means you refuse to learn.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#14 - 2014-01-15 16:46:34 UTC
Did you know that with a small payment of 10 mil ISK to your local CODE. agent you can avoid all the drama of ganking for an entire year?

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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
#15 - 2014-01-15 16:56:24 UTC
Alduin666 Shikkoken wrote:
Did you know that with a small payment of 10 mil ISK to your local CODE. agent you can avoid all the drama of ganking for an entire year?


That will only protect you from CODE agents. There are many more fish in the sea.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#16 - 2014-01-15 17:13:49 UTC
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
ego boost

This is something I have never, ever understood.

From the perspective of someone who has never been suicide ganked nor has ever participated in the act, I can't understand how can you could possibly derive an ego boost from suicide ganking.

When suicide ganking, you are, quite literally, exhibiting zero skill. None. Nothing. Nada. Zip. You massed, you pressed a button, and you died. Your FC didn't display any good decision making, your logistics didn't perform admirably, you didn't take down someone who came into the fight with the intention of crushing you, you didn't break free from a certain death tackle only to sweep around and point a key ship, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't... and so on ad infinitum.

Ego should go hand-in-hand with some form of actual achievement. I fail to see how being a bottom feeder could possibly make anyone feel better about themselves.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#17 - 2014-01-15 17:15:16 UTC
hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:
Ganking is for knuckle draggers that cant work the market tab.



Comments like this give me the will to undock more catalysts.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Carmen Electra
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#18 - 2014-01-15 17:18:41 UTC
acemastr Ocer wrote:
running around with 30bil in their cargo


Just because this sort of KM exists, doesn't mean that it's common. Seeing a T1 indy with >1b in cargo is pretty rare. Based on my experience, I'd say you'll see one of these once every 3 days assuming you're scanning down ships for 3 hours a day. My threshold for ganking was >400m. On average, I'd say you'll see about two of these a day (scanning 3 hours a day). Sometimes more, sometimes less.

Again, this is all based on my experience ganking. My ganking toon has 116 kills, 49b damage done, average of 415m/kill. I'm sure we've got plenty of people who will come out of the woodwork now claiming 10b/day in ganking, etc.

One of my favorite things to do in EVE is fly around the Jita and/or Amarr pipe in a Nereus (hint: you can fit hilarious tank on these things) loaded with ~1.5b in goodies collecting KRs.
Etria Issen
Imperial Varista
#19 - 2014-01-15 17:22:47 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
ego boost

This is something I have never, ever understood.

From the perspective of someone who has never been suicide ganked nor has ever participated in the act, I can't understand how can you could possibly derive an ego boost from suicide ganking.

When suicide ganking, you are, quite literally, exhibiting zero skill. None. Nothing. Nada. Zip. You massed, you pressed a button, and you died. Your FC didn't display any good decision making, your logistics didn't perform admirably, you didn't take down someone who came into the fight with the intention of crushing you, you didn't break free from a certain death tackle only to sweep around and point a key ship, you didn't, you didn't, you didn't... and so on ad infinitum.

Ego should go hand-in-hand with some form of actual achievement. I fail to see how being a bottom feeder could possibly make anyone feel better about themselves.


Ganking is a mysterious art.

Or rather, I feel, I don't know why you should feel proud of ganking at all. At least, to me, ganking implies you engage someone who has absolutely no chance of defeating you. How do you feel proud of crushing someone you utterly outclass? There's just no fun or bragging rights in that.

That's just my personal viewpoint on ganking at all. Jumping someone who fights back, and puts up a fight, and you win anyway, is another thing entirely. Jumping defenseless transports? Not the same.
Carmen Electra
Row Row Fight the Power
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2014-01-15 17:26:52 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Tuk'ata Rucor wrote:
ego boost

When playing EVE, you are, quite literally, exhibiting zero skill. None. Nothing. Nada. Zip.


FTFY.

As I've mentioned earlier, suicide gankers have to make instant decisions about whether to commit to a target or not. The randomness of the ship scanner makes this an especially dicey proposition. Every time a nado pilot commits to an indy, they're making an 80-90m ISK gamble (including sec status repair). You also need to coordinate 3 accounts, which takes a little practice. I have respect for the people who do this.

The asshats who sit and steal ganker loot are the real bottom-feeding trolls. (Or masterminds, depending on how you look at it.) You may want to give it a try yourself, you may find there's more involved there than you realize.
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