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I agree it is weird a 1600mm plate cost 1/5th of a Large Armor Repairer, however I find it hard to see how cruisers and battlecruisers have too many hitpoints when most of them crumble in a very short time under fire from just 1-3 similar fitted enemies. At least pilots now have enough survivability to react on his surroundings. Something active repairing have trouble with atm. Currently buffertanks offer a valid game-play enjoyed by all players. Buffertanks are not overpowered because active reps are worse, it's Active tanks that need love because they don't offer the same enjoyable game-play like buffertanks (except with faction mods, drugs and implants in specific bonused ships)

Reducing the hitpoints given by extenders and plates will dramatically reduce the living time of most ships even if they already die fast in a typical engagement effectively reversing what CCP have accomplished with recent HP boosts.
Increasing fitting requirements would make people fit smaller plates which makes sense with their names, but then you will have the same problem as above with ships unable to stay alive for more than a brief amount of time.

Yes, it's stupid that we use medium extenders on frigates, large extenders on cruisers and don't have XL extenders for battleships, but less hitpoints or bigger fitting requirements will ruin the working buffer-gameplay we have now instead of bringing active reps up to date.

Obviously I would love for shield extenders to be renamed properly and maybe removing micro extenders in return for implementing an XL extender for battleships. Plates could also easily be without 50mm and 100mm plates and make good use of 3200mm plates.

Again, with the amount of dps ships have today I believe these solid changes will help the game much more than just nerfing plates and extenders

Pinky

I agree. When it takes over 3 minutes of sustained blaster fire on a trimarked BC something is a touch wrong, tbh. Reduced buffertanks would honestly allow for more hit and run style favored by stealthy pilots.

And honestly, it's not so much the plates and extenders as it is the 3x rigs. (Trimarks and CDFEs)

there is no need to remove anything and frigs using a medium shield extender ?

camon dont make up numbers a frigate has about 40 powergrid a medium shield extender about 28

there is no need to change buffer passive tank

and active armor could use a buff as it heals only half of shield boosters and armor tank guns use cap exept a few minmatar ships that are being armor tanked

and yes projektiles are too good to be true as they dont need any cap and outperferm other turrets and if needed can change damage typesbut the usability of it isnt that big and its expensive cuz u need to use faction ammo and loose some dps

i think there are some flaws in the examples.

To get a better view of the case a question. Is it the passive tanking plates for example or the remote repair power of logi's which do bring us to this problem. Blobing up fleets are using alpha weapons to reduce the chance a that a logi is fast enougth to react.
There will always be hughe fleets. There will alwaays be a min / max calculation.

The more problematic points in current warefare are.

- Slots needed to create a sufficient active tank with shield vs armor.
- Requirement costs of passive tanking modules.
- Tanking modules do give a FIXED value instead of a scaling value. A static valkue is bad design.
- Is there a chance for combining some values like resists on reppers and reducede logi effect to shift some values.
- What can be done to reduce the need of alpha.
- Is alpha overpowered ?
- is range overrated ? Or do current warefare tactics favor certain conditions.

We are not here to make a statement towards ccp like "Change x that the effect will be Y" We can show certain synergies and ref3elct all effects something will have on the game. The decisions are not made by us. So let'S stop flaming each other and instead bring up some new ideas.

New ideas are needed and no number switching :p

While I agree with the sentiment here, the problem is that right now amarr ships, particularly cruiser and battle cruiser size ships, already have to make this decision. Fitting heavy pulses and a decent tank is very difficult on some ships, impossible on the rest. We're forced to choose between a downsized tank, or fit smaller guns... but I think that's a good thing.

Until the hybrid buff, hybrid ships had to make this choice too. Now, less so, but still to some extent. Minmatar ships can leisurely fit their biggest guns, full tank, mwd, and whatever other utility mods they want with little concern for fitting. Increasing the fitting requirements for plates and extenders would hurt the ships that already have to make this fitting decision. Instead, I think it would be more effective to rebalance the ships that can fit things too easily.

I was going to reply some ideas in this thread, but decided it would be better in a separate thread in Features & Ideas. It discusses balancing issues between weapons by fixing the fundamental flaws of the ships that use them. Solving most of the balance issues of the weapons themselves.

Thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=558939

I disagree with this. Faction cruisers and HACS are certainly included in my statement and are very relevant.

Again, I disagree. Please go test your theory on an Armageddon. Don't forget a MWD and heavy cap booster for those hungry lasers.

It hits them the hardest because lasers have, far and away, the highest fitting requirements of any weapons system. Also, Amarr usually need to fit cap boosters - another high powergrid module, more then any other race.

Also, I didn't mean to come across like I was saying Amarr are underpowered and in need of a buff. I think we're doing ok, and I love my Amarr ships. I was just trying to illustrate some of the problems with increasing fitting cost on some modules instead of balancing the ships that make fitting too easy.

For some weird reason you cut my quote and then got what you deserved - missed the point entirely.

If fitting essential mods uses, say, 1% of grid, then the rest of it goes for guns and it's literally impossible to avoid fitting the largest ones.
If fitting those mods uses, say, 50, then it's kind of hard to do that.

For instance.

1) a plate requires 500 MWs
Ship A has 2k MWs, after fitting a plate there's 1500 MWs left for fitting guns etc.
Ship B has 1.5k MWs, 1000 is left after the plate

2) a plate requires 1000
Ship A has now 1k left
Ship B - merely 500

3) lol-case: a plate uses 1500 MWs
Ship A has 500 spare MWs and still can fit something like quad light beam lasers
Ship B can not fit anything, despite its racial guns being easier to fit themsevles

As for capbooster, it has to be fitted regardless, so it's irrelevant.

Stuff like Canes and Drakes is to fixed regardless, to be quite honest