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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Trii Seo
Goonswarm Federation
#61 - 2013-11-05 13:10:33 UTC
Renegade Heart wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
We don't even press F1 these days.


Okay clearly we must nerf drones too!

Perhaps all future pvp fights can be decided in an Arena that will only allow equally matched players to fight each other so we can ensure that skill will prevail!


"Frankly, my good sir, your continued ownership of 6VDT is an insult to me, my wife and my camel. Tomorrow we shall meet in Jita, lance-enyos at dawn!"

Well, to be honest there have been continued nerfs to ganking:

- boomerang got fixed (for those few unaware wtf boomeranging was, it allowed evading CONCORD and lining up a few ganks with one ship)
- barge hitpoints got buffed (that's for miner ganking, not the usual gate one but still)
- insurance on suicide ganking ships was removed

For now gankers have a simple algorithm. Does it have shiney cargo, the drop of which (1/2 average, you can get rich or get shafted of course) will cover our ganking ships + profit?

If yes, gank it. if no, don't gank it.

As for pods... well, there's plenty of dumb people flying full implant pods AFK through hisec. They get podded, but if the ganker just keeps at it they'll burn sec really fast - plus, a lot of pods are empty anyway so it's just waste of a thrasher.

And no, you can't gank -> biomass burn alt -> roll another alt, it's kind of going to get you b&d.

Proud pilot of the Imperium

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Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-11-05 13:15:35 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.

No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.


Zi, you are WAY too old to be complaining about stuff like this.
I expect more out of a fellow "ancient". Unless you're "under new management"... in which case, knock the EULA-violation crap off before you get another old toon permabanned.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Nick Curso
State War Academy
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-11-05 13:16:48 UTC
If you get mugged on the street when do the police arrive, before or after the mugging?....
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-11-05 13:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Ramlrez
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Mythrandier wrote:
There is only one thing better than butthurt on EvE-O and that is Infinity Ziona butthurt.

In that respect this thread delivers in vast, vast quantities.

I'm not butthurt. I'm annoyed that my favorite game's gameplay is turning into rubbish.



Your favorite part of EVE is staying afk in hi-sec?

You play this since 2003 and don't know that Hi-sec isn't the safest place in the game?
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#65 - 2013-11-05 13:34:47 UTC
Problem is, to really change anything, there would have to be pretty drastic measures put into place, like: IP locked accounts and one security rating over all of them... practically nowhere to go for low sec standing players in high sec - stations refusing service, gate/station guns KOS, etc.

Some gankers don't gank for reward, they gank for LOLs and tears. They don't care about their sec standing nor their ships... those gankers are the real "problem".

Diaper rash and boredom can do the ungliest things to a young mind... Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2013-11-05 13:37:02 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Problem is, to really change anything, there would have to be pretty drastic measures put into place, like: IP locked accounts and one security rating over all of them... practically nowhere to go for low sec standing players in high sec - stations refusing service, gate/station guns KOS, etc.

Some gankers don't gank for reward, they gank for LOLs and tears. They don't care about their sec standing nor their ships... those gankers are the real "problem".

Diaper rash and boredom can do the ungliest things to a young mind... Blink


I like your hair

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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#67 - 2013-11-05 13:39:50 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
I like your hair

Oh, why thank you hon, that's very sweet of you! Smile

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2013-11-05 13:51:51 UTC
I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong...
High Sek too stronk!!

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oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2013-11-05 13:53:59 UTC
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong...
High Sek too stronk!!


You like to eat cockies and kill ships?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Clyde Belvar
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#70 - 2013-11-05 13:57:09 UTC
This game is becoming unplayable because of ganking happening right now.
2 years ago when i started playing with my main char i didn't see nearly as much ganking as it is now.I was on my eve brake for 4 months,now recently i came back and game is completely changed,which shows that there is a serious problem of people exploiting game mechanics.
Now you see gankers everywhere,ganking mission runners,ganking miners,setting up gate camps in cheap ass ships in hisec and camping stations all day.
You are not even safe in pod since there will be some ass who will kill you anyways.
This character i made for trading and manifacturing,now i can't even move my stuff around because i know someone will probably gank me,it doesn't matter what ship i fly,indie freighter they can be shot down in seconds,and i am never autopiloting.
I lost more isk in 4 days then my main char lost in 2 years living in lowsec nullsec and wh's,how can it be right?

Worse thing is that there are no consequences for gankers,yeah they might get kill right on them,but they will undock in shuttle and get it off.
Gankers should be charged for crime they do,something like 50% of total isk lost they should repay to victim.So if 2 catalysts destroy hulk they wallets go negative 50 mil each,and if they don't have isk wallet goes -50 mil.Why not make ganking more hard?

I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#71 - 2013-11-05 13:57:42 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong...
High Sek too stronk!!


You like to eat cockies and kill ships?


Speaking of which… Is it just me, or does Michiko's avatar look a little bit too much like Sasha Grey to be a coincidence?

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2013-11-05 13:58:01 UTC
Taal Khurin wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

However, lets imagine instead I got pinged at a gate by a gank squad of cats. 5 Cats could do it easily in a 0.5
.


Catalysts ganking on a gate? Unlikely, gate guns make short work of zero tanked dessies.

because catalysts need time to kill pods and industrials Lol

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Taal Khurin
Acorn Harvesting
#73 - 2013-11-05 13:58:44 UTC
am i tegh lony oewn woph cna tyope poroplpy arundf heerf?
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#74 - 2013-11-05 14:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalua Rui
Clyde Belvar wrote:
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.

Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it...

...so, yea, either a) CCP completely breaks the game for gankers at some point, or b) lives with what they have got, and probably loose more players in the future. *shrugs*

There are enough people in this game that are completely fine with the latter option, though.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#75 - 2013-11-05 14:02:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
Highsec doesn't need to be safer.

It needs to be more dangerous. Especially for gankers, and their risk free PvP.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2013-11-05 14:02:32 UTC
oOReikaOo Michiko wrote:
Eugene Kerner wrote:
I like to kill cockies and to eat ships....wait, think I got it wrong...
High Sek too stronk!!


You like to eat cockies and kill ships?


See...thats how messed up high sec is...no wonder OP is scared!

TunDraGon is recruiting! "Also, your boobs [:o] "   CCP Eterne, 2012 "When in doubt...make a diȼk joke." Robin Williams - RIP
oOReikaOo Michiko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-11-05 14:03:10 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Clyde Belvar wrote:
I wonder how many new players quit eve after they got ganked in noobie ships.

Nah... it's acttually like: How many potential players never even start the game because of everything they read/hear about it...

...but there are enough people in this game that are completely fine with that, so. *shrugs*


3 of my friends were like "F THAT your a masochist" .. and i had no rebuttal... cause whips and gags and stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSDNPFCPfY
Richard Ramlrez
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-11-05 14:06:44 UTC
Arduemont wrote:
Highsec doesn't need to be safer.

It needs to be more dangerous. Especially for gankers, and their risk free PvP.



That ill have to agree. CCP is ok with risk free ganking. And yea they prob lost hundreds of thousands of potential subscribers due to this.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#79 - 2013-11-05 14:14:28 UTC
Richard Ramlrez wrote:
That ill have to agree. CCP is ok with risk free ganking. And yea they prob lost hundreds of thousands of potential subscribers due to this.

True dat... well, at least hundreds. Blink

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-11-05 14:17:11 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.


Guys, ignore them! It's a troll! You can tell by the way they think nullsec PVP requires skill or brains. Ctrl+click -> F1 is not brains.

EDIT: And OP, if you spent weeks dodging the Goons in null you're doing it wrong. Just don't go to their space. Stay in your own, you'll never see a non-blue again. Problem solved.

Dodixie > Hek