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Can we do something about the idiots in highsec already CCP?

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Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
#401 - 2013-11-07 03:25:13 UTC
Xorionna wrote:
Don Purple wrote:
Dear OP
You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed.


The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible.
Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears.

I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew.
Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca.


Your choice is to go places where there aren't wolves.

This game does protect you from eliminating wild life so you'll just need to protect your sheep.

When the wolves are starved they'll wander on to the wild lands that they normally should prey in.

Find systems farther from trade routes or down dead end corridors. Meet the people in your high sec neighborhood. Be aware of suspicious activity.

Take shelter if there is a mad man on the streets. You can't kill schizophrenics either (now that mixed the wolf metaphor)

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destiny2
Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody
Rogue Drone Recovery Syndicate
#402 - 2013-11-07 07:35:37 UTC
invest ina jump clone and jump around, HEY! that reminds me of a song :D
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#403 - 2013-11-07 08:23:55 UTC
Diomedes Calypso wrote:
Xorionna wrote:
Don Purple wrote:
Dear OP
You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed.


The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible.
Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears.

I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew.
Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca.


Your choice is to go places where there aren't wolves.

This game does protect you from eliminating wild life so you'll just need to protect your sheep.

When the wolves are starved they'll wander on to the wild lands that they normally should prey in.

Find systems farther from trade routes or down dead end corridors. Meet the people in your high sec neighborhood. Be aware of suspicious activity.

Take shelter if there is a mad man on the streets. You can't kill schizophrenics either (now that mixed the wolf metaphor)

Lol wolves hey. Thats an insult to our four legged furry friends.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#404 - 2013-11-07 09:08:34 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Its getting old. Every second or third jump there are idiot alts in destroyers ganking people. My computer almost died yesterday loading hundreds of concord ships at a high sec gate. Spending weeks in null dodging Goons and then come back to supposedly safe space and its more of the same crap.

You guys changed siphons because they were too cheap and griefer like for the big alliances after their big whine fest. Man up and do something about the state of high sec and their alt gankers.

No I haven't been ganked but its annoying to have to make every single high sec jump and not be able to afk at all in "safe space" even in a crappy non faction fitted frigate and its annoying to see people killing other people in high sec with no risk in cheap lame ass destroyers - make them work for it, this is EvE Online, its not Counterstrike.

Killing other players should require skill, it should require brains, it should require risk and it should require a war dec or going to low sec or null sec.

At the moment all it requires is a cheap destroyer and a low skilled alt account.

This is not the game that you guys designed, I have been here since the beginning and when things did get to the point that this sort of rubbish was happening, you adjusted Concord or you adjusted DPS or EHP.

Time to fix your game in this respect, its crap and broken.



Fit a reasonable buffer tank when traveling AFK. Gets VERY VERY safe.


If you travel in an AFK cruiser with a 1600 plate and nothign extremely valuable in cargo hold, you can probably do it for years without being ganked.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#405 - 2013-11-07 09:13:34 UTC
Xorionna wrote:
Don Purple wrote:
Dear OP
You literally only need to be at your computer to survive MOST ganks. A properly fit ship will survive MOST ganks. You spit on a lifestyle that is an extremely active play style, most gankers I know just fly as -10 in highesc because there's no point to having a positive sec status. You can not sit still or afk or you die before you make your hit. You are blatantly stating that a player not even at his computer should have a chance to survive against someone actually clicking their mouse? Tell me when in this game, a PVP game, will any pilot survive a fight they are not at their computer for? And if you have an answer or a defense to this then maybe THAT needs fixed.


The problem I see about high sec pvp is that the only tactic that exists is to fly a destroyer and have a lot of friends. I suppose if you try to kill someone in my fleet, I can't retaliate on a ganking ship unless you shoot me first. The only PVP choice right now is 1 ship vs X destroyers. Attacking a fleet, and allowing a fleet to defend one member should be possible.
Right now the only thing you can do is wardec a corporation, unless your ganking pilot is in a NPC corporation, in that case I believe you can only cry sweet tears.

I don't want less PVP, and I don't think the point of the thread was about that either. I just want to see different types of pvp in high sec. The only elements existing in high sec pvp is tankoing the bait ship, have a scout and fly a destroyer to pew pew.
Never saw a fleet of Exequror/Osprey roaming in high sec to remote rep some random Orca.



The lack of knowledge ia amzing.

You can defend your fleet! As soon as the gangker goes GCC you can fire at it. You jsut will nto have much time because concord and gates will blap them very fast.


You can enhance your fleet defeensive capabilities with gang bonuses... you can bring a logistic ship to remove repair, jsut again.. cocnord is already doing a WAY better job thanyour fleet can do.


The only thing I agree is with the NPC corportaion issue.

ALL players shoudl be booted from war dec immune corp after 1 year. Want to commit any act? Be ready to be pursued.


Also 1 man corps shoudl be wardeccable for free.. becuse epoepl just disband them and remake them. Corp shoudl cost isk only after 10 members are on it.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Marexlovox
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#406 - 2013-11-07 09:59:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Marexlovox
JF's/Cloaky Haulers.
Aracimia Wolfe
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#407 - 2013-11-07 10:25:16 UTC
Quote:
should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz.


Yes

Kill it with Fire!

Lailyana Enaka
State War Academy
Caldari State
#408 - 2013-11-07 10:30:19 UTC
Aracimia Wolfe wrote:
Quote:
should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz.


Yes



made 28 jumps from amarr to josekorn just a few days ago, did it sitting in front of the screen, in a retireiver, didnt get ganked, and i survived to tell the tale

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Skeln Thargensen
Doomheim
#409 - 2013-11-07 10:30:52 UTC
I'd suggest a high sec boycott but i can't do it with a straight face.

forums.  serious business.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#410 - 2013-11-07 10:38:28 UTC
Lailyana Enaka wrote:
made 28 jumps from amarr to josekorn just a few days ago, did it sitting in front of the screen, in a retireiver, didnt get ganked, and i survived to tell the tale

...and you do that how often, exactly? Blink

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#411 - 2013-11-07 10:48:25 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
You can defend your fleet! As soon as the gangker goes GCC you can fire at it. You jsut will nto have much time because concord and gates will blap them very fast.


You can enhance your fleet defeensive capabilities with gang bonuses... you can bring a logistic ship to remove repair, jsut again.. cocnord is already doing a WAY better job thanyour fleet can do.

The only way to defend against a gank reasonably is ECM. And even then, you can only reduce the DPS by a certain amount, and most ganking groups will have taken that into consideration. Best of luck using logi to rep a ship through a gank lol. If the gankers aren't out on their first trip, they will have taken an extra 1 ship to counter that.
Kagura Nikon wrote:
The only thing I agree is with the NPC corportaion issue.

ALL players shoudl be booted from war dec immune corp after 1 year. Want to commit any act? Be ready to be pursued.
That's a brilliant idea! Gankers who currently hide in npc corps so they can't be killed. Oh wait... They don't. They generally have -10 sec status and so can be killed by anyone anyway. The only thing this would do is make people have to make even more corps to abandon their alts in.

Kagura Nikon wrote:
Also 1 man corps shoudl be wardeccable for free.. becuse epoepl just disband them and remake them. Corp shoudl cost isk only after 10 members are on it.
And how would that help? That would just mean people would freely wardec every tiny corp they see, meaning you have to fill a corp with 10 alts or randoms to be protected from random wardecs.

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Kaaii
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
#412 - 2013-11-07 11:14:54 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
No I haven't been ganked but.........




Infinity Ziona wrote:
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.



I stopped reading here.
Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#413 - 2013-11-07 11:39:19 UTC
Kaaii wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
No I haven't been ganked but.........




Infinity Ziona wrote:
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.



I stopped reading here.



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Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#414 - 2013-11-07 14:41:12 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win.


Please link this T1 Cat fit that does 1000+ DPS. Hell, link a T2 fit that does. Also, how is losing 50M worth of ships to kill a 25M ship a win?

Kaaii wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
No I haven't been ganked but.........




Infinity Ziona wrote:
I started a new account the other day and autopiloted it to Jita to act as a market alt, 30 minutes old, it was podded before it got halfway there ffs.



I stopped reading here.




I considered stopping at this point, but I wanted to see how foolish the OP made herself the rest of the thread.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#415 - 2013-11-07 18:29:36 UTC
Fix Lag wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
yea this alt account ganking is crap, the only solution to that is ganking back, I'm at 4 billion gaking goon haulers and stuff... I would hope more high sec people would dedicate some time to this work, together we could make it impossible for the goons to do a thing up there, 50 claokers up there all day long and its over for them, no more ratting no more mining


Harry what do I need to do to help you end the GOON menace for all time?


get a bomber and dedicate some time in VFK area, gatecamp and gank their ships, we need to flood their systems with cloaked bombers, I'm doing it since months but we need more people who are up there all around the clock, they should not be able to move around anymore...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#416 - 2013-11-07 19:19:25 UTC
X'ing up for T1 fit cata doing 1000 dps for 10mil isk. Somehow the gank community has totally overlooked this excellent fit.

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Zheng'Yi Sao
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#417 - 2013-11-07 19:30:10 UTC
Lailyana Enaka wrote:
Aracimia Wolfe wrote:
Quote:
should I sit at my PC in high sec making 24 jumps from Jita to Rens just in case some douche alt wants to blow up my shuttle and pod me for lolz.


Yes



made 28 jumps from amarr to josekorn just a few days ago, did it sitting in front of the screen, in a retireiver, didnt get ganked, and i survived to tell the tale


I applaud your tenacity and your patience, and I appreicate your point, but...

Shocked

They fold up into such nice neat little packages and fit into much faster haulers. I assume it was rigged otherwise you wouldn't have done it. But 28 jumps?1? Again I applaud your tenacity. Next time you need to move a Retriever that far I will buy you a new one, seriously. Don't do that to yourself again, please...

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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#418 - 2013-11-07 23:58:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Meilandra Vanderganken
*typed a wall of text, got screwed over by forum software, too lazy to type again :P *
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#419 - 2013-11-08 00:09:45 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Tanks don't work. If you tanked your boats, instead of using 1 or two cats they'd use 3 or 4. If they needed 5 or 6 they'd use 5 or 6. Since 5 T1 cats only cost 10 million (doing 1000+ dps) and a Procurer costs around 25m tanked and fitted they'll still win.

This is why New Order exists. They're rich nullbears or carebears (likely miners :) hiding behind alts ganking people because they can and they find it fun and not in anyway risky. If you added risk they'd all vanish back to their mains never to be heard of again.

Yes, cuz any ganker's killboard is full of tanked procs and skiffs, specially the New Order's!

Oh wait, no it isn't... They're full of **** fit Rets and exhumers. Of course they gank a tanked proc/skiff every now and then for propaganda purposes but in general it's **** fit rets and exhumers and the odd idiot that thought it was a good idea to engage them in their non-combat mining ship cuz they went suspect....
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#420 - 2013-11-08 00:53:09 UTC
And as a solo ganker, I can tell you that a near max dps cata (near perfect skills and implants) can't even gank a slightly tanked Mack in 0.5. It really needs to be fully yield fit or anti-tanked (cargo rigs/hold extenders) to be able to take a Mack out solo.

A Mack, the mining ship with the largest Ore hold and high yield and favourite AFK boat of the mining community can only be ganked by going BC or forming a fleet of at least 2 cata's unless you completely shite fit it. In 0.5, go 0.7 or above and you need 3-5 cata's (depending on skills, fittings and implants) to gank you unless you aren't completely idiot fitted.

And those numbers are only a tad bit lower for a Hulk, the yield champion (though not as AFK-able due to smaller ore hold). The only way to solo a hulk with a cata is when it's completely idiot fitted, any half arsed attempt on tanking it and you need at least 2 of them.

Have a flight of ECM drones out while your AFK and you can add +1 to the number of cata's needed...