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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Doomheim
#841 - 2013-12-17 20:21:34 UTC
Null sec income for pilots sometimes is bad because when they are merrily running a ded site or doing forsaken hubs a damn ping flashes and the diplos/directors of the corp start saying on comms: "come on guys get in fleet we have to show a good participation and don't forget to click the paplink blah blah blah"

For the free spirits null sec is great.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#842 - 2013-12-17 20:23:29 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
Null sec income for pilots sometimes is bad because when they are merrily running a ded site or doing forsaken hubs a damn ping flashes and the diplos/directors of the corp start saying on comms: "come on guys get in fleet we have to show a good participation and don't forget to click the paplink blah blah blah"

For the free spirits null sec is great.


Till you local fills as you're in a staging system

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#843 - 2013-12-17 20:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
Alavaria Fera wrote:
nullsec is clearly the best

sign up to make isk in nullsec, contact me if you want to rent space with PBLRD. We have systems availabe, and Delve just opened up, so there's grab grab grab going on.


not sure if serious or just a troll

you don't need to pay "rent" to anybody to farm null.

it's free. just fly into the space, and farm it.

nobody can stop you. there's no padlocks on the gates.
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Doomheim
#844 - 2013-12-17 20:46:43 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Till you local fills as you're in a staging system


Obviously i avoid war zones/tidi like a plague.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#845 - 2013-12-17 20:48:06 UTC
Good Posting wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Till you local fills as you're in a staging system


Obviously i avoid war zones/tidi like a plague.


As long as they avoid you thats fine

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
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Doomheim
#846 - 2013-12-17 20:52:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


As long as they avoid you thats fine


Don't worry, i will be fine.

XOXO
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#847 - 2013-12-17 21:35:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
You can pretend its not actual earnings if you like. I guess more income for me the less people are doing it.

As for getting ganked by pvp'rs... you need to choose the right space, been out in null, in many areas since I made this post and I think you'll find no killmails on me because I haven't died once.

If I go to an area that has people that like to camp, like Branch, they're a little overly protective of their plexes, I go somewhere else.


Hey, good for you if you're raking it in! I didn't even see what you were claiming your isk/hr was, or even if you made any such claims. I was just pointing out that a lot of incursion runners and null plexers like to make claims of X isk/hr when that figure is impossibly optimistic and doesn't factor in time spent traveling, hiding from pirates, running plexes with dud drops. The upside to L4s is that when I say I make X isk/hr, I make X isk/hr.

they claimed that running two anomalies and getting a rare faction drop in 30 mins was typical results, earlier in this thread

Lets not be dishonest. I would never claim that getting a rare faction drop was typical since the sentence is rather oxymoronic. There are rare module drops (Invuls - only ever gotten 1, Large towers from hacking - 1 again) but the rest are common.


Pinky Hops wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
nullsec is clearly the best

sign up to make isk in nullsec, contact me if you want to rent space with PBLRD. We have systems availabe, and Delve just opened up, so there's grab grab grab going on.


not sure if serious or just a troll

you don't need to pay "rent" to anybody to farm null.

it's free. just fly into the space, and farm it.

nobody can stop you. there's no padlocks on the gates.

Sadly its serious lol. Stupid people pay Goons for garbage space. Its like 10 billion to be confined to one system and everything you put up in terms of infrastructure belongs to Goons :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#848 - 2013-12-17 22:47:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Some people don't like to fight for their space. If they still want to live in null, they rent. I'm pretty sure there would be no renters if there was no incentive for them. If prices are too high, they can go somewhere else...

Why you still pushing your game on everyone else, Ziona?

Let me inject some reality again.

I mean, we all know there are stupid people in eve, but there are also smart ones, and 10b+ per month is chump change if you have people who use the space living in it.

I found this it did not take much looking...for 10b a month you are getting a lot more than some ****** truesec.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#849 - 2013-12-17 22:50:29 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
Some people don't like to fight for their space. If they still want to live in null, they rent. I'm pretty sure there would be no renters if there was no incentive for them. If prices are too high, they can go somewhere else...

Why you still pushing your game on everyone else, Ziona?

Apparently some northern associates renters or whatever were spotted in fleets? Or maybe while I was in fleets I spotted them while burning down their stuff?

If you rather just pve all day in peace, evemail me. PBLRD has systems.

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#850 - 2013-12-17 22:56:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
Eram Fidard wrote:
Some people don't like to fight for their space. If they still want to live in null, they rent. I'm pretty sure there would be no renters if there was no incentive for them. If prices are too high, they can go somewhere else...


lol.

except, you still have to fight for your space.

whoever you are paying won't stop random gangs from coming in an hot dropping you, popping you, harassing you, or otherwise farming your space in your stead....

in fact, alts of the renter alliance have been known to gank the very people who rent from them -- as well as farming the space. Big smile

the only thing they will protect you from is giant fleets trying to claim the sov of the system. outside of that, you will be on your own.

renting is a scam, and anybody who rents is just voluntarily signing up to be a wage slave for big null
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#851 - 2013-12-17 22:58:48 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Some people don't like to fight for their space. If they still want to live in null, they rent. I'm pretty sure there would be no renters if there was no incentive for them. If prices are too high, they can go somewhere else...


lol.

except, you still have to fight for your space.

whoever you are paying won't stop random gangs from coming in an hot dropping you, popping you, harassing you, or otherwise farming your space in your stead....

in fact, alts of the renter alliance have been known to gank the very people who rent from them -- as well as farming the space. Big smile

the only thing they will protect you from is giant fleets trying to claim the sov of the system. outside of that, you will be on your own.

renting is a scam, and anybody who rents is just voluntarily signing up to be a wage slave for big null


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvB2_9wvX_s

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#852 - 2013-12-17 23:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Pinky Hops wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Some people don't like to fight for their space. If they still want to live in null, they rent. I'm pretty sure there would be no renters if there was no incentive for them. If prices are too high, they can go somewhere else...


lol.

except, you still have to fight for your space.

whoever you are paying won't stop random gangs from coming in an hot dropping you, popping you, harassing you, or otherwise farming your space in your stead....

in fact, alts of the renter alliance have been known to gank the very people who rent from them -- as well as farming the space. Big smile

the only thing they will protect you from is giant fleets trying to claim the sov of the system. outside of that, you will be on your own.

renting is a scam, and anybody who rents is just voluntarily signing up to be a wage slave for big null


So you are saying this despite all evidence to the contrary?

I rented before, it was one of the best things our alliance could have done for ourselves. We were in a nice dead-end pocket that was easily scouted and defended, had our own intel channels, and had fun chasing off the random neutrals that would occasionally come hunting. Imagine that, living in null, making isk hand over foot, and having fun.

Our rental fee wallet division was full after the first week of every month, solely from 10% ratting tax.

How can you knock someone else for a playstyle that works for them? It obviously works for a lot of people, because they continue to rent, and quite happily.

Like with anything else in eve, if you can't cut it, go play hello kitty island adventure

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#853 - 2013-12-17 23:04:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Eram Fidard wrote:
Pinky Hops wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
Some people don't like to fight for their space. If they still want to live in null, they rent. I'm pretty sure there would be no renters if there was no incentive for them. If prices are too high, they can go somewhere else...


lol.

except, you still have to fight for your space.

whoever you are paying won't stop random gangs from coming in an hot dropping you, popping you, harassing you, or otherwise farming your space in your stead....

in fact, alts of the renter alliance have been known to gank the very people who rent from them -- as well as farming the space. Big smile

the only thing they will protect you from is giant fleets trying to claim the sov of the system. outside of that, you will be on your own.

renting is a scam, and anybody who rents is just voluntarily signing up to be a wage slave for big null


So you are saying this despite all evidence to the contrary?

I rented before, it was one of the best things our alliance could have done for ourselves. We were in a nice dead-end pocket that was easily scouted and defended, had our own intel channels, and had fun chasing off the random neutrals that would occasionally come hunting. Imagine that, living in null, making isk hand over foot, and having fun.

Our rental fee wallet division was full after the first week of every month, solely from 10% ratting tax.

How can you knock someone else for a playstyle that works for them? It obviously works for a lot of people, because they continue to rent, and quite happily.

Huh, that reminds me of one group that moved from Branch (I think) into Vale of the Silent because branch was too boring for them. They're also the renters that caught a carrier or something (I don't even know how it works) and went out to kill someone's TCUs.

There's still space :)

Ironically, goon ratters are easier andmore satisfying ganks than are renter ratters. It's surprising, but there you have it...

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#854 - 2013-12-17 23:07:41 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
It obviously works for a lot of people, because they continue to rent, and quite happily.


People do stupid crap in droves all the time.

I see people manufacturing stuff and selling it at a LOSS, quite commonly. I suppose as long as they are happy and it "works" for them, who am I to judge?

Eram Fidard wrote:
Like with anything else in eve, if you can't cut it, go play hello kitty island adventure


I can cut it just fine. I farm null without paying billions a month in rental fees Big smile.

I enjoy all the same exact benefits, I have swaths of open space available to me, few poeple ever try to gank me.

The only difference is that I can't dock and moon mining is off the table. That's it. Hardly worth billions/month per system.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#855 - 2013-12-17 23:08:15 UTC
Oh but I must note that, sadly, if you rent from Vince Draken or Progodlegend, our blackops group actually does go around and will try to harvest you for killmails. Sorry about that, it's just that I forget since our renters don't seem to encounter progodlegend covert hotdrops with the frequency that our goon ratters do.

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Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#856 - 2013-12-17 23:13:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Pinky Hops wrote:
Eram Fidard wrote:
It obviously works for a lot of people, because they continue to rent, and quite happily.


People do stupid crap in droves all the time.

I see people manufacturing stuff and selling it at a LOSS, quite commonly. I suppose as long as they are happy and it "works" for them, who am I to judge?

Eram Fidard wrote:
Like with anything else in eve, if you can't cut it, go play hello kitty island adventure


I can cut it just fine. I farm null without paying billions a month in rental fees Big smile.

I enjoy all the same exact benefits, I have swaths of open space available to me, few poeple ever try to gank me.

The only difference is that I can't dock and moon mining is off the table. That's it. Hardly worth billions/month per system.


That's your opinion, and your solo playstyle. Not everyone is content to shoot red crosses by themselves in sub-optimal t3s with no place to dock, no options for towers, manufacturing, mining, or market. So no, not the exact same benefits at all.

If you prefer to live without all those things, good for you.

Renting doesn't make a different playstyle less valid.

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#857 - 2013-12-17 23:14:04 UTC
It just means you are content to voluntarily sign yourself up for indentured servitude.

Have fun with that.

I guess some people do enjoy bondage.
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#858 - 2013-12-17 23:16:54 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
It just means you are content to voluntarily sign yourself up for indentured servitude.

Have fun with that.

I guess some people do enjoy bondage.


Servitude to who?

Please tell me where these tax-free nullsec homes exist.

FFS people pay taxes to their hisec mission corps, which is the biggest scam in eve. Why wouldn't you pay for goods/services? Isn't that kinda how things work...money in exchange for goods/services?

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Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#859 - 2013-12-17 23:24:28 UTC
You're paying for something that is primarily free, lmao.

You can still group up with people. You can form gangs. You can go around in nullsec and do whatever, farm anything you find.

Servitude to who? To whoever you pay rent to. Basically, they CBA to farm it themselves.... so they charge exorbitant fees. Basically, other people farm it "for them" and give them a massive percentage of the farm (whoever is dumb enough to agree to their terms - that is)

It's a win/win for the renter alliance, and a lose/lose to whoever is paying rent.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#860 - 2013-12-17 23:29:03 UTC
In a small group, one is unlikely to be able to make the kinds of gains needed to profitably use the really expensive systems, that needs some scale.

However, some of the more moderately priced systems (like... 1bil even) may be suitable for smaller groups. You can always move up later on if you have grown and are looking for something to match that new size.

Usually, the most expensive systems sell out first, because large groups are looking for things like that. However, the less pricy systems are still there, and you can try it out and see if it works for you.


PBLRD: There's space... in space

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