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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#801 - 2013-11-19 07:46:35 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
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So it's "relatively easyer" for a non affiliated toon? There would be more effort put into catching an affiliated toon than a non affiliated one?


From my experience? Yes. Especially against GSF. There's a lot of butthurt out there that can cause people to tunnel vision on certain groups. I, for example, will go well out of my way to screw with Nulli. They and I have a history.

But not so much "more effort" as it would be more attention. Like or hate them, GSF is visibility personified.

And they can't make a plexing alt that's not affiliated right? If you go to Nifflung in Metro, there's a direct WH from high to 0.0 into a dead end system which has a Blood 10/10 Naval Shipyard. Can't solo that one :)


The ones I know run L4s or incursions in highsec instead, because it's better money and it's impossible to die if you are awake.

Near parity in income, near total lack of risk, and more easily available routes to sell rewards add up to a pretty big incentive.

Nowhere near parity in income. Its boring. Its not risky. There's no way I could plex 9 accounts running missions in highsec, even with multiple alts. Well unless I played all day which is not going to happen.


funny, my empire alt had turned over about 4-5 billion since you started this thread. Not counting the 2.2 million LP I'm sitting on.

That is single account by the way.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#802 - 2013-11-19 07:47:16 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Nowhere near parity in income. Its boring. Its not risky. There's no way I could plex 9 accounts running missions in highsec, even with multiple alts. Well unless I played all day which is not going to happen.


Use ISBox and you would have the isk inside a week.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#803 - 2013-11-19 08:01:11 UTC
Onictus wrote:

funny, my empire alt had turned over about 4-5 billion since you started this thread. Not counting the 2.2 million LP I'm sitting on.

That is single account by the way.

I've made 4 billion in a day on sigs.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Gustaf en Gravonere
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#804 - 2013-11-19 12:51:45 UTC
41 pages later you still dont understand basic statistics! the 4 bil you got LUCKY on. that is not CONSISTENT.


Do you think if I walk into a casino and get VERY LUCKY and drop in a quarter and win a hundred grand on the slots, that it would happen EVERY TIME i dropped a quarter? God, casinos must be a $$$$ faucet! I'm the smartest guy in the world!!!


As has been stated COUNTLESS TIMES in this thread, if you average out your isk over TOTAL TIME SPENT which includes time hauling, offlining, hiding, scanning, I GUARANTEE your isk/hour rate will not be very impressive. Average it out over a long time, like 2 months. Dont bullshit anyone, you dont make 4 bil a day every day. Hell, why not rat in a carrier? since you're so fearless and all.
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#805 - 2013-11-19 13:03:06 UTC
The BIG question is, are you happy?

I broke the 100mill mark yesterday (yeaaaaah go me) an broke out the jane outfit and done an obscure indian dance round a bonfire i made out the back in celebration so yeah i was happy, only took me over a month lol
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#806 - 2013-11-19 13:29:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
41 pages later you still dont understand basic statistics! the 4 bil you got LUCKY on. that is not CONSISTENT.


Do you think if I walk into a casino and get VERY LUCKY and drop in a quarter and win a hundred grand on the slots, that it would happen EVERY TIME i dropped a quarter? God, casinos must be a $$$$ faucet! I'm the smartest guy in the world!!!


As has been stated COUNTLESS TIMES in this thread, if you average out your isk over TOTAL TIME SPENT which includes time hauling, offlining, hiding, scanning, I GUARANTEE your isk/hour rate will not be very impressive. Average it out over a long time, like 2 months. Dont bullshit anyone, you dont make 4 bil a day every day. Hell, why not rat in a carrier? since you're so fearless and all.

I get lucky every day I guess. Billion today (as you can see in the pic I posted) in 1 sig - Bhalgorn and a few other mods... Its not luck, its a high drop rate.

Carriers can't use acceleration gates and they're not very efficient anyway, a battleship is far superior as is an Ishtar.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Lucy Riraille
Taxeva
#807 - 2013-12-16 15:08:49 UTC
OMG, pls ppl, do a reality check!

Check the wallet of a "normal" pilot grinding in nullsec with the wallet of a hisec Lv4 Carebear.

The Nullsec dweller will ALWAYS have more in his wallet.

The money is in Nullsec PERIOD!
Of course, income in hisec is ALWAYS accessibel (when in an npc or solo Corp), BUT

Pls look up the KB for Osmaon or Lanngisi and their vicinity. Lots of gankers witing to catch a Missionrunner.
Calculate the time one needs to refinance a lost PVE ship. And afaik no hisec corp or alliance has a carefree reimbursement program running.

Yes, nullsec requires way more logistics and up front investments, but hey, it pays off fast!

Ppl who have hisec alts are the REAL carebears, because they can log into their hisec alts instead of havin to show up an CTAs or having to do other boring chores.
As game mechanics work, there is no need to join a player corp in hisec. One only gets targeted by wardeccers.

And, for all those ppl, who think nullsec was the most dangerous place to live in EVE:

Most kills happen in hisec empire space! And that includes numbers of ships destroyed and value of ships destroyed! Look up the numbers or read Greedy Goblins Blog.

As for now, except for nullsec sov space, there is no real and rational need to join a player corporation!
All these "elite pvp'ers" that alway counsel doing things with other people only mean this one thing:

Team up in a fleet in order to overwhelm someone else wit ha minmum of risk... How sandbox-like is this?

It is an interesting fact that every player in EVE has his "own style of playing". And every player looks with envy towards other players who excel them either by plaing in the same style or by playing a totally different style.
If one excels in the same style, then he surely is a botter, has no life, gf, job, whatever. If one excels in a different playstyle, then EVE MUST be rebalanced because Lv4s are OP, Nullsec is OP, Incursions are OP, FW is OP...

I do not claim to possess all the EVE wisdom that can be had, but one thing is for sure:

Although EVE is the MOST soloable MMO, while lots of things are most efficiently done solo, teaming up with other people makes most activities in EVE more fun.

The only danger I currently see for the future of EVE is, that the need to specialize in skills/activities will become less important. That is sad, because one charming side of EVE was, that I can do any activity I want to, but at the cost of investing skill time to do it properly (knwoing what to do and how to do off course).

If Botmuncher Goblin managed to kill as many as 10% of the humber of ships that the Goons killed, while being solo versus a couple of thousands of Goonswarm members, then Empire hisec must be a couple of hundred times more dangerous than deepest nullsec.

Pls, look up Dotlan, Osmon or Lanngisi, look up the number of npc ships killed an of player ships killed, then look up a nullsec system with comparable npc kill statistics and tell me, whether there happend more poddings than in hisec.

Let us not clash
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#808 - 2013-12-16 15:43:38 UTC
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
41 pages later you still dont understand basic statistics! the 4 bil you got LUCKY on. that is not CONSISTENT.


Do you think if I walk into a casino and get VERY LUCKY and drop in a quarter and win a hundred grand on the slots, that it would happen EVERY TIME i dropped a quarter? God, casinos must be a $$$$ faucet! I'm the smartest guy in the world!!!


As has been stated COUNTLESS TIMES in this thread, if you average out your isk over TOTAL TIME SPENT which includes time hauling, offlining, hiding, scanning, I GUARANTEE your isk/hour rate will not be very impressive. Average it out over a long time, like 2 months. Dont bullshit anyone, you dont make 4 bil a day every day. Hell, why not rat in a carrier? since you're so fearless and all.

You're incorrect. Also last I checked you can't enter most combat anoms in carriers :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#809 - 2013-12-16 15:45:41 UTC
Omir Sarikusa teaches us that a man's worth is measured not in Isk

But in pints

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#810 - 2013-12-16 15:58:40 UTC
I think Ziona is exaggerating a bit. Ninja running null sites isn't too hard for the experienced and capable pilot, but you're also not really going to be finding 3-5 sites worth running per night either, unless you're spending serious time doing so. And even then most sites will take an hour or so.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#811 - 2013-12-16 16:09:15 UTC
Batelle wrote:
I think Ziona is exaggerating a bit. Ninja running null sites isn't too hard for the experienced and capable pilot, but you're also not really going to be finding 3-5 sites worth running per night either, unless you're spending serious time doing so. And even then most sites will take an hour or so.



Grossly.


Not like I used to live in Fade and Pure Blind or anything.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#812 - 2013-12-16 16:11:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Batelle wrote:
I think Ziona is exaggerating a bit. Ninja running null sites isn't too hard for the experienced and capable pilot, but you're also not really going to be finding 3-5 sites worth running per night either, unless you're spending serious time doing so. And even then most sites will take an hour or so.

No I'm not exaggerating. But it does depend on your play time (aussie time here) and also where about's you run the sites. I have run sites in period basis (quite a lot of site runners, not a great deal of sites), Goon space (not so many people running them, sites everywhere), Outer Ring (not many site runners, many sites), Catch (lots of runners, not many sites, lots of aggro from dweebs)... etc etc

Some of my best areas I can find and run multiple sites (around 5) in a few hours. And no they don't take long at all.

Gurista
10/10 - skip first 4 rooms altogether. Last room 30 mins. (can drop 1 to 2 billion)
8/10 - 45 minutes (can drop 500 million roughly +)
7/10 - 45 minutes (can drop 500 million roughly)
6/10 - 20 minutes (can drop 1.5 to 2 billion)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#813 - 2013-12-16 17:15:48 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Gurista
10/10 - skip first 4 rooms altogether. Last room 30 mins. (can drop 1 to 2 billion)
8/10 - 45 minutes (can drop 500 million roughly +)
7/10 - 45 minutes (can drop 500 million roughly)
6/10 - 20 minutes (can drop 1.5 to 2 billion)


Those numbers seem reasonable if slightly optimistic time-wise. Value wise those numbers are towards the high end and far from the average (then again you said "can" and not "average"). 1bn a night is either a pretty good night or a fairly long one.

I do need to find me a new stompin ground though (syndicate in us tz on a holiday is a PITA). Do you move your site-running ship with your scanner or do you leave it until you find something worth running? I tend to prefer the latter.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#814 - 2013-12-16 17:27:04 UTC
We've been watching this thread with some interest - and much amusement.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#815 - 2013-12-16 17:42:08 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
We've

one forum tag, thinks he's royalty
Notorious Fellon
#816 - 2013-12-16 17:51:54 UTC
I think my favorite part is how the nullbears keep trying to add in incursions to the discussion.

Incursions have nothing to do with L4's. Nothing.

Stay on topic.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#817 - 2013-12-16 17:55:55 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
I think my favorite part is how the nullbears keep trying to add in incursions to the discussion.

Incursions have nothing to do with L4's. Nothing.

Stay on topic.

the thread is titled 'highsec income versus nullsec income'
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#818 - 2013-12-16 17:59:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinky Hops
Malcanis wrote:
We've been watching this thread with some interest - and much amusement.


either speak for yourself, with content, or don't bother to speak at all.

especially not with this "we" nonsense Roll

every time i see somebody in CSM talking like this, i just say to myself "oh, there's somebody that shouldn't be a CSM!"
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#819 - 2013-12-16 18:05:39 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:


every time i see somebody in CSM talking like this, i just say to myself "oh, there's somebody that shouldn't be a CSM!"



IMPEACH MALCANIS

MTU FOR CSM!

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Notorious Fellon
#820 - 2013-12-16 18:11:34 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
I think my favorite part is how the nullbears keep trying to add in incursions to the discussion.

Incursions have nothing to do with L4's. Nothing.

Stay on topic.

the thread is titled 'highsec income versus nullsec income'



I stand corrected. I assumed this was regarding solo income. For a solo pilot, null plexing is far more isk for a paultry increase in risk compared to L4's.

Once you add in fleet income (incursions) then we would also have to compare running null sec 10/10 plexes in a fleet then. More isk than you can spend with the safety of several Nightmares/Machs whatever. Most involved have their alts parked in nearby systems watching for local. The risk is certainly not that much more than hisec deep in alliance territory.

In my experience, null income is off the charts solo or in a gang. WH income is the only thing I have found to be better. If Hisec incursions need to be toned down, I wouldn't object. Risk/Reward there may be a bit off balance. I paid for a silly amount of ships with incursions.

But L4's? Waste of time, even in my Rattle or Mach. Hisec L4's need an income buff.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.