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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#561 - 2013-10-23 18:57:39 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.


This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#562 - 2013-10-23 19:09:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shiva Darksun wrote:
Richard Ramlrez wrote:
Truth is you will quit out of boredom trying to get rich through missions, while incursions can get you rich with few hours played a day.

My goal in EVE is not trying to get rich. it's relaxation and that's all there is to it.

Well put.

Can someone invade vfk please


Thats a job for Harry Forever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#563 - 2013-10-23 19:11:13 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
I guess you still don't get that I'm mocking you. It's not supposed to be a good photoshop, more of a statement that nobody cares about your screenshots, your wild fantasies about your actual isk/hour, or your inability to listen to anyone except yourself. If anything, I'm simply amused by your 'public flogging' as Jenn calls it. Have a nice day.

Oh mocking... I love a good mocking...

Edit: Just had some lovely guys from Razor do my site for me. That's the awesome thing about EvE you meet so many fantastic people. I decided to let them loot the wreck...

Loot

So you see, another site, right after the last one that drops around 500 mil of loot. Or did I hack that guys account perhaps and type that myself? :)


So someone came in and took your loot, which is random anyways.

No, go sit down somewhere and ask yourself why people who NEED the isk to fund their accounts and to pay for the most expensive habit in EVE (the pvp habit makes being a meth head look cheap in comparison). People who NEED reliable income (right now) and can't screw around with random number generators or Razor alliance dudes with probes.

Answer honestly and you will have figured out why high sec is full null sec alts.

That plex that Razor kindly did for me was a Pith Penal, its guaranteed to drop 21st overseers and bounties at the minimum. That it drops additional hundred millions is a bonus. Its quicker than doing an angel extra and can pay 10, 20, 30 times more if you're lucky...

But I will give you an honest answer - the reason they go to highsec is because its safe. I was in 036A-P which is right next to Z-L061. They were all in Z-L. Both the H-PA Crew and the Pith Penal were in 036A and both had the same sig format so they had been there since DT at least and no one had done them. So around 8 hours.

Why did they come and do the Pith Penal, with 6 people? Because they were 'protecting' their space and because they had 6 people to do it with. You don't need 6 people.

So the answer to your question is on the map. Have a look at Z-L, have a look at all the other areas around Tenal... you see blobs of light and very few tiny dots of light. People in EvE especially in null, are afraid to do anything solo, they might get hotdropped, they might need RR, they might need cap transfer, yada yada yada.

So they go to highsec because they're afraid - not all of them but those that are stupid enough to mission in high sec.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#564 - 2013-10-23 19:15:02 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Shiva Darksun wrote:
Richard Ramlrez wrote:
Truth is you will quit out of boredom trying to get rich through missions, while incursions can get you rich with few hours played a day.

My goal in EVE is not trying to get rich. it's relaxation and that's all there is to it.

Well put.

Can someone invade vfk please

Thats a job for Harry Forever.

Snap, you got me there..

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Winchester Steele
#565 - 2013-10-23 19:16:16 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.


This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.



The tears, when people find out that this vaporware is basically an elaborate and very successful scam, will be delicious. I hope I have enough buckets.

...

Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#566 - 2013-10-23 19:16:44 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
I guess you still don't get that I'm mocking you. It's not supposed to be a good photoshop, more of a statement that nobody cares about your screenshots, your wild fantasies about your actual isk/hour, or your inability to listen to anyone except yourself. If anything, I'm simply amused by your 'public flogging' as Jenn calls it. Have a nice day.

Oh mocking... I love a good mocking...

Edit: Just had some lovely guys from Razor do my site for me. That's the awesome thing about EvE you meet so many fantastic people. I decided to let them loot the wreck...

Loot

So you see, another site, right after the last one that drops around 500 mil of loot. Or did I hack that guys account perhaps and type that myself? :)


So someone came in and took your loot, which is random anyways.

No, go sit down somewhere and ask yourself why people who NEED the isk to fund their accounts and to pay for the most expensive habit in EVE (the pvp habit makes being a meth head look cheap in comparison). People who NEED reliable income (right now) and can't screw around with random number generators or Razor alliance dudes with probes.

Answer honestly and you will have figured out why high sec is full null sec alts.

That plex that Razor kindly did for me was a Pith Penal, its guaranteed to drop 21st overseers and bounties at the minimum. That it drops additional hundred millions is a bonus. Its quicker than doing an angel extra and can pay 10, 20, 30 times more if you're lucky...

But I will give you an honest answer - the reason they go to highsec is because its safe. I was in 036A-P which is right next to Z-L061. They were all in Z-L. Both the H-PA Crew and the Pith Penal were in 036A and both had the same sig format so they had been there since DT at least and no one had done them. So around 8 hours.

Why did they come and do the Pith Penal, with 6 people? Because they were 'protecting' their space and because they had 6 people to do it with. You don't need 6 people.

So the answer to your question is on the map. Have a look at Z-L, have a look at all the other areas around Tenal... you see blobs of light and very few tiny dots of light. People in EvE especially in null, are afraid to do anything solo, they might get hotdropped, they might need RR, they might need cap transfer, yada yada yada.

So they go to highsec because they're afraid - not all of them but those that are stupid enough to mission in high sec.


I was wrong, you're hopeless.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#567 - 2013-10-23 19:18:16 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.

This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.

The tears, when people find out that this vaporware is basically an elaborate and very successful scam, will be delicious. I hope I have enough buckets.

I seem to hear about that game a lot here, but people only seem to joke about it on our evil Jabber chats.

What is it about?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#568 - 2013-10-23 19:19:57 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
I guess you still don't get that I'm mocking you. It's not supposed to be a good photoshop, more of a statement that nobody cares about your screenshots, your wild fantasies about your actual isk/hour, or your inability to listen to anyone except yourself. If anything, I'm simply amused by your 'public flogging' as Jenn calls it. Have a nice day.

Oh mocking... I love a good mocking...

Edit: Just had some lovely guys from Razor do my site for me. That's the awesome thing about EvE you meet so many fantastic people. I decided to let them loot the wreck...

Loot

So you see, another site, right after the last one that drops around 500 mil of loot. Or did I hack that guys account perhaps and type that myself? :)


So someone came in and took your loot, which is random anyways.

No, go sit down somewhere and ask yourself why people who NEED the isk to fund their accounts and to pay for the most expensive habit in EVE (the pvp habit makes being a meth head look cheap in comparison). People who NEED reliable income (right now) and can't screw around with random number generators or Razor alliance dudes with probes.

Answer honestly and you will have figured out why high sec is full null sec alts.

That plex that Razor kindly did for me was a Pith Penal, its guaranteed to drop 21st overseers and bounties at the minimum. That it drops additional hundred millions is a bonus. Its quicker than doing an angel extra and can pay 10, 20, 30 times more if you're lucky...

But I will give you an honest answer - the reason they go to highsec is because its safe. I was in 036A-P which is right next to Z-L061. They were all in Z-L. Both the H-PA Crew and the Pith Penal were in 036A and both had the same sig format so they had been there since DT at least and no one had done them. So around 8 hours.

Why did they come and do the Pith Penal, with 6 people? Because they were 'protecting' their space and because they had 6 people to do it with. You don't need 6 people.

So the answer to your question is on the map. Have a look at Z-L, have a look at all the other areas around Tenal... you see blobs of light and very few tiny dots of light. People in EvE especially in null, are afraid to do anything solo, they might get hotdropped, they might need RR, they might need cap transfer, yada yada yada.

So they go to highsec because they're afraid - not all of them but those that are stupid enough to mission in high sec.


I was wrong, you're hopeless.

Oh and one more thing, they didn't come and take my loot... it wasn't my site, it was their site as I kindly explained to them when they said they were running my site. Its only my loot when its in my cargo... and my ship is not exploding

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#569 - 2013-10-23 19:20:35 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.


This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.



The tears, when people find out that this vaporware is basically an elaborate and very successful scam, will be delicious. I hope I have enough buckets.


I do hope something coems of it, because I want to play it. But the people so hyped about it because they think it will save them from the horrible EVE people don't understand the way of things. The same way that some people fled to Star Trek Online only to find the Goons waiting for them. (was the funniest damn thing ever)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#570 - 2013-10-23 19:21:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.

This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.

The tears, when people find out that this vaporware is basically an elaborate and very successful scam, will be delicious. I hope I have enough buckets.

I seem to hear about that game a lot here, but people only seem to joke about it on our evil Jabber chats.

What is it about?

Citizens in Space...

BTW your Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere is not really getting many people. PB is pretty aweful.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#571 - 2013-10-23 19:23:34 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.


This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.


Well to be fair, its not a matter of gameplay that I think will drive people like me away but the technology.

CCP knows this so thats why they are scrambling to make Valkyrie for the Occulus Rift. Putting 20 engineers on the job too. However, I don't know if EVE can convert well over to the Occulus Rift. SC on the hand hand is developed with it in mind.

What I am trying to say if the people on Youtube are to believed, chances are every game will have to be Occulus Rift ready in 5 years or people won't play them.

I ordered a dev kit to see for myself so I personally don't know if this will be the case or not.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Winchester Steele
#572 - 2013-10-23 19:27:52 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.

This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.

The tears, when people find out that this vaporware is basically an elaborate and very successful scam, will be delicious. I hope I have enough buckets.

I seem to hear about that game a lot here, but people only seem to joke about it on our evil Jabber chats.

What is it about?


As near as I can tell.

It's about a hangar with goldfish in it, lining Chris Roberts pockets and paying 165.00 USD for a ship model that will probably never fly.

I think it's also about carebears escaping Goons into a fantastic rainbow filled grief free wonderland. (Should I let them down, or do you want to?)

...

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#573 - 2013-10-23 19:45:23 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Winchester Steele wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
The more I read about Star Citizen, the less I care about these threads.

This is the best post in this thread.

SC is win win for me. If it takes you lot from here, we all win. If it bitterly disappoints you because you got all worked up over something that doesn't exist yet...weall still win, just payment comes in the form of tears.

The tears, when people find out that this vaporware is basically an elaborate and very successful scam, will be delicious. I hope I have enough buckets.

I seem to hear about that game a lot here, but people only seem to joke about it on our evil Jabber chats.

What is it about?


As near as I can tell.

It's about a hangar with goldfish in it, lining Chris Roberts pockets and paying 165.00 USD for a ship model that will probably never fly.

I think it's also about carebears escaping Goons into a fantastic rainbow filled grief free wonderland. (Should I let them down, or do you want to?)



I'll go ahead.

If Star Citizen actually does come out instead of Chris Roberts running off to the Bahamas, I will be right there waiting for all of my little carebear friends. Got some pretty good plans for that in fact, shooting ejection pods and all that. You better believe your happy ass won't be mining without some of those scars and prosthetics and stuff that signifies impending permadeath.

It's not like the carebears are the only ones with enough disposable income to pay two subs. (wait, you mean they haven't announced subscription model yet, even?)

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#574 - 2013-10-23 20:16:58 UTC
1. I don't believe Star Citizen will have player mining. Its all planetary interaction. Asteroid mining hasn't been mentioned.

2. Beyond the purchase of the initial game there is no subscription fee.

3. Chris Roberts said his goal is to make it impossible for you to tell if you are fighting an NPC or player. You can make your assumptions from there as what you can do to other players.

I'm not personally invested in the game nor do I really care if it comes out. I just find the development of it interesting.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server
Shiva Darksun
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#575 - 2013-10-23 20:19:00 UTC
Since we slid a bit offtopic... Having played MMOs regularly since 2001 (over 30 of them, both browser-based and full-fledged clients) and currently developing a simple, tiny one, I could say Star Citizen is, at this moment, something I would stay as far away from as possible. It might be a great game, but it might be a huge scam, and I'm leaning towards the latter. I just hope I'll be wrong. Time shall tell, though...
E-2C Hawkeye
HOW to PEG SAFETY
#576 - 2013-10-23 20:20:51 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Gustaf en Gravonere wrote:
I guess you still don't get that I'm mocking you. It's not supposed to be a good photoshop, more of a statement that nobody cares about your screenshots, your wild fantasies about your actual isk/hour, or your inability to listen to anyone except yourself. If anything, I'm simply amused by your 'public flogging' as Jenn calls it. Have a nice day.

Oh mocking... I love a good mocking...

Edit: Just had some lovely guys from Razor do my site for me. That's the awesome thing about EvE you meet so many fantastic people. I decided to let them loot the wreck...

Loot

So you see, another site, right after the last one that drops around 500 mil of loot. Or did I hack that guys account perhaps and type that myself? :)


So someone came in and took your loot, which is random anyways.

No, go sit down somewhere and ask yourself why people who NEED the isk to fund their accounts and to pay for the most expensive habit in EVE (the pvp habit makes being a meth head look cheap in comparison). People who NEED reliable income (right now) and can't screw around with random number generators or Razor alliance dudes with probes.

Answer honestly and you will have figured out why high sec is full null sec alts.

That plex that Razor kindly did for me was a Pith Penal, its guaranteed to drop 21st overseers and bounties at the minimum. That it drops additional hundred millions is a bonus. Its quicker than doing an angel extra and can pay 10, 20, 30 times more if you're lucky...

But I will give you an honest answer - the reason they go to highsec is because its safe. I was in 036A-P which is right next to Z-L061. They were all in Z-L. Both the H-PA Crew and the Pith Penal were in 036A and both had the same sig format so they had been there since DT at least and no one had done them. So around 8 hours.

Why did they come and do the Pith Penal, with 6 people? Because they were 'protecting' their space and because they had 6 people to do it with. You don't need 6 people.

So the answer to your question is on the map. Have a look at Z-L, have a look at all the other areas around Tenal... you see blobs of light and very few tiny dots of light. People in EvE especially in null, are afraid to do anything solo, they might get hotdropped, they might need RR, they might need cap transfer, yada yada yada.

So they go to highsec because they're afraid - not all of them but those that are stupid enough to mission in high sec.


I was wrong, you're hopeless.

Infinity....in order for someone to understand and see where you may be coming from would require the target audience to have the ability to see something from a perspective other than their own....jenn lacks this ability or skill. sorry Sad
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#577 - 2013-10-23 20:21:23 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
1. I don't believe Star Citizen will have player mining. Its all planetary interaction. Asteroid mining hasn't been mentioned.


Pity that. Oh well, I suppose shipping interdictions will have to do.
Quote:

2. Beyond the purchase of the initial game there is no subscription fee.


Goodie. I hadn't seen anything relating to sub model on the site or any of the youtube videos thus far.

Quote:

3. Chris Roberts said his goal is to make it impossible for you to tell if you are fighting an NPC or player. You can make your assumptions from there as what you can do to other players.

I'm not personally invested in the game nor do I really care if it comes out. I just find the development of it interesting.


If he's interested in spending the next ten years developing AI that successfully mimics the bizarre ranges of player behavior, then sure. Otherwise, it should be pretty easy once the game's patterns have been found out.

I also hope they will have some ship customization, at least. That'd be pretty handy if you ask me, rather than having to tell pilots apart in the WiS portion. That, or by their screen names. I highly, highly doubt there will be any NPCs with the kind of... creative... names that people use for MMO characters.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
voetius
Grundrisse
#578 - 2013-10-23 20:40:28 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
[quote=Captain Tardbar]

Quote:

3. Chris Roberts said his goal is to make it impossible for you to tell if you are fighting an NPC or player. You can make your assumptions from there as what you can do to other players.

I'm not personally invested in the game nor do I really care if it comes out. I just find the development of it interesting.


If he's interested in spending the next ten years developing AI that successfully mimics the bizarre ranges of player behavior, then sure. Otherwise, it should be pretty easy once the game's patterns have been found out.


While I remain sceptical about SC until it launches I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

You don't have to run a super computer with cutting edge algorithms to mimic player bahaviour. Heuristics are quite cheap.
Winchester Steele
#579 - 2013-10-23 20:43:32 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:


3. Chris Roberts said his goal is to make it impossible for you to tell if you are fighting an NPC or player. You can make your assumptions from there as what you can do to other players.



Yeah. This is what I want from an "MMO". Sounds like a bot aspirants wet dream. Or WoW in space. I'll pass either way, thanks.

...

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#580 - 2013-10-23 20:45:19 UTC
voetius wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
[quote=Captain Tardbar]

Quote:

3. Chris Roberts said his goal is to make it impossible for you to tell if you are fighting an NPC or player. You can make your assumptions from there as what you can do to other players.

I'm not personally invested in the game nor do I really care if it comes out. I just find the development of it interesting.


If he's interested in spending the next ten years developing AI that successfully mimics the bizarre ranges of player behavior, then sure. Otherwise, it should be pretty easy once the game's patterns have been found out.


While I remain sceptical about SC until it launches I think you are looking at this the wrong way.

You don't have to run a super computer with cutting edge algorithms to mimic player bahaviour. Heuristics are quite cheap.


Oh, I didn't mean in terms of advancement. I meant in terms of cost of computing power. If this is going to be even 1/10th as big as they say it is, they will need one hell of a server to run advanced AI on it for as much as they claim will be going on in the universe.

It'd take em a while.

Also, please note I say "claim". I am nearly certain that Roberts has been letting his mouth write checks his ass can't cash. That, or it will take him longer than people seem to think. Years, 3 at least.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.