EVE General Discussion

You must have terrible luck. I'm only speaking of sig sites so maybe that's where you're getting confused. Even if you have terrible luck though, with around 35 million from the bounties and the OE you're getting 100 million isk.

The Military Complex Operations site only has 3 rooms. My Ishtar fit as it is for covert cloak still manages to insta pop the destroyers, two shot or three shot the battlecruisers and while it does take a little bit to chew through the battleships I would say 15 minutes or less for the first and second room and the last room takes 2 minutes if you just pop overseer. So 30ish minutes for 100 million at worst, 30ish minutes for a billion or more at best.

The majority of sites are like that, lots of npcs can be ignored entirely.

Consider that a mission such as Worlds Collides take just as long, with a minute chance of faction loot, I think since they were introduced I got maybe 3 Shadow Serp modules worth no more than 50 million, no OE, no uber expensive modules, ninja looters, suicide gankers, objective stealers and there is absolutely zero comparison.

These combat sites are ubsurdly easy, absurdly profitable and super safe.

yeah and it takes best part of an hour to extract the bounties with 1 account! and no, I'm not in the slightest confused. I removed the anomaly escalations from the stats I gave you. if it says sig it meant I scanned it down directly.

Its also not particularly unlucky, those are completely normal drop rates, that other people will concur are normal.



Gurista Military Operations Complex is the DED 7, and its LOOOOONG full of battleships, 5 rooms.

Military Complex is the unrated, I have done it once, because its spawned only once. It didn't escalate. I did get a DG usurper with no valuable loot. I certainly didn't get 100m for doing it, and making a case that its "worth" 100m per run will in fact (a) take a long time to verify and (b) meh, it probably won't escalate, and when it does, it will escalate straight to RA space.



You should be comparing this stuff to gurista scout outpost and gurista guerilla grounds running, not L4s. Also, my mission running experience from 2007 to 2013 = Ganks 0.0 Ninja's - who cares, very few missions are worth looting. In fact once I started blitzing, I did not actually see a ninja again.

Trust me, unrateds are more like 25% escalation, and 25% things streak badly, you get 3 in a row, then 15 with nothing.

guys these statistics aren't helping

nerf nullsec

So much effort for such little reward. Yes a FEW sites can guarantee 1 Billion here and there every couple of days.. but plexing in a carrier is 20-30m every 20 min with 10-12 drones with minimal skills. If you have a thanatos with 13-15 drones you can clear plexes even faster.

I do envy your nomadic nature. If what you say is true, then you are one of the very few players who I owe respect to.

I also find it hilarious as you expose 'goonsec' as allowing them to do anything with virtually no risk while they claim to be the anit-carebear.

GOONS = CAREBEARING AT IT'S HIGHEST FORM!!!

It takes a lot more effort to grind up to level 4 missions and the actual running of combat sites vs missions is very similiar. Undock run mission and undock run combat site.

You may have to use an alt to scan for sites but you're not required to redock again at the same station or required to reject faction missions due to standing nor travel multiple jumps to your objective.

You're also running sites against the same faction whereas in missioning you often need to refit for multiple damage types. Additionally you have the benefit of using the best damage types whereas in missions unless you're in missile ship you're stuck with one type.

Lastly many combat sites you can simply ignore the NPCs in one or more pockets, as an example theres a serp site where you can burn to the first acceleration gate ignoring all npcs, in the second room you can again ignore all the NPCs blow up tower. Finished. If you're lucky you'll get an escalation for doing basically nothing.

The Maze has 5 rooms, you can ignore the first 4, gates aren't locked. Only required to do the last room for X-Type loot.

Missions on the other hand in most cases you have to kill every npc on every stage.

Sorry but it takes next to no effort to grind missions at all.

The only effort involved in running missions is dictated by what ships you can fly. If you are fairly skilled and start from scratch then you can be doing level 4's within a week with minimum effort.

Which most people do before they can even fly a drake, and long before they can tank the maze, and they get faction standings so they get access to other corps by running L4s for one corp.



If you use an alt in a different mission, you get twice the mission income, and yes 2 at once is quite doable. ie the upper end for this is in the region of 200m/hr, and thats about what you get for doing a piths penal on average, and is more when you count finding it time.



I have 8 level 4 ships at my mission hub. Common sense dictates leaving an angel tank and drones on one, which makes the turn around an ammo only affair which takes all of about 5 seconds.



There are actually relatively few missions that don't have a blitz. Refresh your memory from eve-survival whilst in warp to it.

I also found your complaint about never getting faction loot from worlds collide to be remarkable. Last time I looked the first pocket is hacker card blitzable, and third pocket only needs you to kill the key group, and then it loads 7k LP, which is a non trivial proportion of the redeemables required for a faction item (which will usually be a cut and paste of a pirate faction item), that even more amusingly, you get to choose which faction item you get too. I could tell you stories about the explosive shield resists and EM armor hardeners and "iron" ammo and brass tags I've received as drops on the other hand...

It's actually quite fair thing to say, watching local, d-scan and enduring warping animations takes indeed way more effort than anything that resembles a gameplay in the process we are discussing ITT.
lol EVE

If it's the same isk, you might be terrible at EVE.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're mistaking one of those commas for a decimal point.

yea, need to agree watching local is deadly effort
that's why i lost so many carebear ships for my life in 0.0

oopp... actually i haven't lost 1 carebear mobile there.... Looks like your "watching local is tough task" is far from the truth