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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#221 - 2013-10-17 03:50:38 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah I think you Goon peeps are a little overextended. Barely a Goon around to keep the riff raff out. Really, why would anyone pay to rent your space when they can just zip around using it for free.... meanwhile you guys pay the sov bills

Doesn't seem 'fair'.


Nobody cares about you running sites in our space. You're not threatening our sov and you're not interfering with our moon income.

You keep posting about this because you want attention.

Cool set me blue and we'll hang out, sip tea, talk about anoms and reminisc of our lost Minmatan childhoods.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#222 - 2013-10-17 04:01:22 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Yeah I think you Goon peeps are a little overextended. Barely a Goon around to keep the riff raff out. Really, why would anyone pay to rent your space when they can just zip around using it for free.... meanwhile you guys pay the sov bills

Doesn't seem 'fair'.

There are several more benefits to it.

-> Intel channels. Especially with the interceptor patch it's useful to know about an enemy before they enter your system.
-> Logistics. You get access to stations, trade hubs, and courier services. No more need to look for wormholes.
-> Standings. Think of the time you lost due to a CFC member being in your system looking for you.
-> Exclusivity. Renting a system means nobody but you/your corp (and the occasional ninja) will be running the sites.
-> Community. This is very much a personal thing, some people like to play together with their friends or corp. May or may not apply to everyone.

For some, the benefits outweigh the comparably low price of renting.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#223 - 2013-10-17 04:17:30 UTC
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
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See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX.
Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off.
You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX[i] when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


NOT IN EVERY PART OF THIS FKING WORLD DUDE Attention


Amen! Praise Bob and pass the ammoz ...


Nice caps.
If you live in a part of the world where you can't make 3$ an hour then explain why you are either spending 15 a month on interweb spaecships or grinding the isk up to pay for it.
My whole point is either way you are wasting money or time.

I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it.
God.
Dammit.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#224 - 2013-10-17 04:26:02 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
If you have been following the 6 month argument I have been having with certain people on this forum you'd know that I have previously

it's amazing that after six months? you still don't comprehend the argument
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#225 - 2013-10-17 04:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Chopper Rollins wrote:

I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it.
God.
Dammit.



On the same token, you only really get to buy isk in game because its the lesser of two evils, pay CCP and they make profit from what is essentially buying an advantage in a competitive sandbox or not offer plex and have the game ruined by farmers, botters and cheaters.

I could make a very good argument that if you don't have time to play a full game of football, you shouldn't really be playing football and definitely not paying off the referee for 'favourable' calls. if you don't have time for something competitive, buying your way through it is pretty lame, as soon as you pull out the CC you've already lost.

I have bought plex before because its 'easier' and I have money but I make no pretense about how lame it is.


Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
If you have been following the 6 month argument I have been having with certain people on this forum you'd know that I have previously

it's amazing that after six months? you still don't comprehend the argument

What amazes me is just how in denial some of you nullers are... remind me of a certain group that almost plunged the world into depression, can't see through you're own bias and self importance :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#226 - 2013-10-17 04:27:57 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Nice caps.
If you live in a part of the world where you can't make 3$ an hour then explain why you are either spending 15 a month on interweb spaecships or grinding the isk up to pay for it.
My whole point is either way you are wasting money or time.

I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it.
God.
Dammit.


Um, maybe some people enjoy running sites. I don't understand why either but the state of both highsec and nullsec supports this as being true.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#227 - 2013-10-17 04:48:09 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
If you live in a part of the world where you can't make 3$ an hour then explain why you are either spending 15 a month on interweb spaecships or grinding the isk up to pay for it.
My whole point is either way you are wasting money or time.

Some people like to challenge themselves within the confines of the game. Sure, you can take the stickers off a Rubik's cube and glue them to the correct places; but that doesn't stop people from trying to solve it. Sometimes the goal is not to make ISK, the goal is the competition to perfect the best ISK making method.

Some people just like shooting at red crosses. And while you do that, might as well try to optimize your income.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2013-10-17 04:48:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:

I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it.
God.
Dammit.



On the same token, you only really get to buy isk in game because its the lesser of two evils, pay CCP and they make profit from what is essentially buying an advantage in a competitive sandbox or not offer plex and have the game ruined by farmers, botters and cheaters.

I could make a very good argument that if you don't have time to play a full game of football, you shouldn't really be playing football and definitely not paying off the referee for 'favourable' calls. if you don't have time for something competitive, buying your way through it is pretty lame, as soon as you pull out the CC you've already lost.

I have bought plex before because its 'easier' and I have money but I make no pretense about how lame it is.


Benny Ohu wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
If you have been following the 6 month argument I have been having with certain people on this forum you'd know that I have previously

it's amazing that after six months? you still don't comprehend the argument

What amazes me is just how in denial some of you nullers are... remind me of a certain group that almost plunged the world into depression, can't see through you're own bias and self importance :)


Join an alliance and play by the rules and tell me how that works for you.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#229 - 2013-10-17 04:50:19 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
What amazes me is just how in denial some of you nullers are... remind me of a certain group that almost plunged the world into depression, can't see through you're own bias and self importance :)

yes, casoff, the famed nullsec alliance, is a nullsec alliance and not a lowsec piracy group, which is the thing we are not, and we are not that thing that i said.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
#230 - 2013-10-17 04:50:32 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:

I'm serious, if earning more than 3$ an hour is an issue you have no business paying for this or PVEarning the play money for it.
God.
Dammit.



On the same token, you only really get to buy isk in game because its the lesser of two evils, pay CCP and they make profit from what is essentially buying an advantage in a competitive sandbox or not offer plex and have the game ruined by farmers, botters and cheaters.

I could make a very good argument that if you don't have time to play a full game of football, you shouldn't really be playing football and definitely not paying off the referee for 'favourable' calls. if you don't have time for something competitive, buying your way through it is pretty lame, as soon as you pull out the CC you've already lost.

I have bought plex before because its 'easier' and I have money but I make no pretense about how lame it is.

...



OK i'm out of here, you don't get it. Thinking buying and selling PLEX is cheating or lame makes you a weird roleplayer of some kind and detracts from any point you might be pretending to make about the safety or not of null vs highsec. I scrabbled my way up to 2bn isk +assets and just got bored of the whole my wallet > your wallet joke. The main thing that cured me of it was playing with other people, that's what it's all about. E-peen thread has wasted my time, well done.



Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#231 - 2013-10-17 06:38:11 UTC
I play with thousands of people everyday. I don't play cooperatively I have to do that in real life why would I want to do it in game?

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#232 - 2013-10-17 07:46:56 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I play with thousands of people everyday. I don't play cooperatively I have to do that in real life why would I want to do it in game?


I have seriously considered getting certain people I know to play Eve just so I can gank them.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Le Badass
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#233 - 2013-10-17 08:29:43 UTC
Pretty hilarious thread. Well done, Ziona.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#234 - 2013-10-17 08:31:11 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I play with thousands of people everyday. I don't play cooperatively I have to do that in real life why would I want to do it in game?


I have seriously considered getting certain people I know to play Eve just so I can gank them.

I did that to a guy i know in real life,
while he was sitting next to me.

The idea is more fun than the actual happening.
Cerile Audeles
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2013-10-17 08:35:56 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:

I did that to a guy i know in real life,
while he was sitting next to me.

The idea is more fun than the actual happening.


Any bruises, or just verbal abuse? :)
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#236 - 2013-10-17 08:55:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Infinity Ziona wrote:

What amazes me is just how in denial some of you nullers are... remind me of a certain group that almost plunged the world into depression, can't see through you're own bias and self importance :)


What I find amusing about you resorting to that argument Ziona is that

- you appear to play during a low pop TZ
- you are a single person cherry picking the best content from multiple systems, during the end of several months where server pop is generally low anyway, from a largely deployed organisations space.
- you are cherry picking the sig movement process from gurista space which is currently not in contention, and where the CFC has currently populated Vale with people cycling the global sig population straight back out of vale as soon as anyone despawns one from somewhere else. (as zima does from geminate, etc, etc).

If the CFC fully undeploys, then they suddenly have 20k characters or whatever, working a thousand or so systems, and that essentially means that anyone in your area goes from 1 character cherry picking from several systems, to 20 characters all essentially requiring content content from each system.

The system doesn't even hand out sufficient forsaken hubs for everyone let alone anything like simultaneous access for most of the playerbase to exploration sigs. ie there is simply no way the CFC can come back and have all their members earn cherry pick level of income.
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#237 - 2013-10-17 09:20:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Lugalbandak
Tauranon wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

What amazes me is just how in denial some of you nullers are... remind me of a certain group that almost plunged the world into depression, can't see through you're own bias and self importance :)


What I find amusing about you resorting to that argument Ziona is that

- you appear to play during a low pop TZ
- you are a single person cherry picking the best content from multiple systems, during the end of several months where server pop is generally low anyway, from a largely deployed organisations space.
- you are cherry picking the sig movement process from gurista space which is currently not in contention, and where the CFC has currently populated Vale with people cycling the global sig population straight back out of vale as soon as anyone despawns one from somewhere else. (as zima does from geminate, etc, etc).

If the CFC fully undeploys, then they suddenly have 20k characters or whatever, working a thousand or so systems, and that essentially means that anyone in your area goes from 1 character cherry picking from several systems, to 20 characters all essentially requiring content content from each system.

The system doesn't even hand out sufficient forsaken hubs for everyone let alone anything like simultaneous access for most of the playerbase to exploration sigs. ie there is simply no way the CFC can come back and have all their members earn cherry pick level of income.


Again , thats your alliance , your own choice to be in a cluster **** group of ppl , ofcourse there is no ratting ground left then.

its not game mechanics , wy would ccp change anything based on alliance rules en how tey work

The fact remains , null sec sites gives yoy way more isk then high

edit: ofcourse not direclty attack or mean in bad way to you , but in general

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#238 - 2013-10-17 09:23:25 UTC
Lugalbandak wrote:
Again , thats your alliance , your own choice to be in a cluster **** group of ppl , ofcourse there is no ratting ground left then.

Hmm good point, I think we need to invade more. *looks at starmap*
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#239 - 2013-10-17 09:24:00 UTC
I play at various times. CFC have tons of space. They have half the entire map from Venal all the way down to Period Basis lol. Besides I don't cherry pick, I run whatever is in system, from Guristas Bases to Maze. I even do relic n data sites.

What I have noticed is they all congregate in hub systems and rarely do I see them running sites far from those systems. This is the way most alliances work in my experience. 20 people in one system with number petering out quickly in surrounding systems.

Seem unable or unwilling to operate independently and even on sites that are easily soloable they'll run them with minimum 2 or more.

Not my fault they're scared to spread out and need to compete for sites.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#240 - 2013-10-17 09:29:41 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Lugalbandak wrote:
Again , thats your alliance , your own choice to be in a cluster **** group of ppl , ofcourse there is no ratting ground left then.

Hmm good point, I think we need to invade more. *looks at starmap*


:)

The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back