EVE General Discussion

Amen! Praise Bob and pass the ammoz ...

Tell me, how (exactly) you got a structure to switch targets.

Set the drones on it, AB out of its targeting range, once it re-targets my Ogre II, come back in and kill it.

Null-sec folk will not stop complaining about hi-sec until hi-sec is just like null-sec.

Then hi-sec will probably be just as empty as most of null-sec.

From what I understand talking to folk in-game, they just do not want the hassle of the ego driven politics of null, and, let's be honest, null-sec does not offer much to small corps or solo players.

Whenever I read anything by mittens, Tom Hanks in the film - Big comes to mind.

Thanks, but no thanks.

I'm curious as to how you formulate your isk/hour...

I currently have access to L4's in a deadend .5 system with the only stargate leading to a .7 (give or take .1). Prior to this, I ran two L3's at a time (one station with two agents) in a .5 next to a .4. So I simply used my stealth bomber to set up bookmarks within the .4 system.

In the time it took me to unlock the L4, I only got two missions that took me into that .4 system. I don't have an alt. I have this character and this one alone. I can't park a spy at the entry gate to a plex unless I run with a corpmate. jetcans on the warp in point is good but you'd have to do that at every room of the plex. The advantage of doing a mission is that the person has to scan your location down. Sure enough, combat probes showed up on scanners both times just as I was popping the last npc to complete the mission.

I would be restricted to scan sites rather than the ones that are green already if I were to do it so I could see the probes on scanner.

For the isk/hour...things to consider.

Divided by number of accounts involved
Includes time required to set up location bookmarks within the system
Includes time to set up jetcan minefield if required
Includes time it takes to transport and sell loot onto the market
Includes time at safespot(s) if people come in


You also want to do it enough times to develop a solid average. Simply stating one good evening of plex running when the next couple days don't net you much of anything doesn't cut it either.

Lets say you average 250M isk/h using two accounts. That is immediately 125M isk/hour/accnt. Now before you start, you setup bookmarks for each system. If you do it in 7 systems and we are looking at a weekly average where you only run two per day @ one hour per plex, and you take 30min per system, then you are looking at 125M isk/1h15m/account.

Now lets say you spend some time in safe spots due to people coming in. Average 1h per night. You're now looking at 125M isk/1h45m/account. Now I imagine the alt is in a covert ops so you can scan and scout. You have to move that loot. You can setup a secure container at a safespot within each system then use an industrial but with the time involved to carry out such logistics, you'll put another 15m on for a total of 125M isk/2h/account or 62.5M isk/hour/account. I can run L4's in Hi-Sec for ~40M isk/hour with my one account without all the logistics involved, without having to be looking over my shoulder, and with the market right where I'm at. That 62.5M would take a hit if you tried it with one account. Since the ship would need a scanner, and you'd have to take the time to setup the jetcans and/or be warp core stabbed. Either way, you'll take a time hit doing it solo (scanner plus warp core stabs is a dps hit which means taking longer to complete the plexes).

When I first got back after my most recent break, the people I play the game with were in Null and part of an allience. Sure enought, afk cloakers in the system. Not so bad for doing combat sites but bad for industrial. Now, afk cloaker can't do anything because they are afk you say. Well afk cloaker simply means someone cloaked in system who may or may not be afk. Sure enough, the friend of mine figured an actual afk cloaker (they were there all day) and decided to get some mining done. Not even an hour later the cyno was lit and two back ops BS dropped into the belt. The friend of mine warped out in time but it goes to show that "afk cloaking" simply means the person may or may not be actually afk. You don't know.

For an industrial corp, unless you have a deal with the local people in null, the level of logistics involved in getting the product to market, in addition to having to stop mining when neuts/reds enter system, makes it far from worth it.

So you AB off grid? All of my tests of overseer/structure aggro has the structure/overseer aggressing me even though i'm u8p to 200 km away. The webs and/or citidel torps don't reach, but it still flashes red and doesn't target any ship or drone left within 50km of it.

Unless one of us has found a bug.

Nah you go out to 60km it drops its web on you, keep going out till you see your drone starting to take damage. Time to turn around and go back in. Or you can get someone to come in with you, get aggro and then warp out so it switches to you.

I'm not sure about the alt thing. Alt sitting on a gate doing nothing but scouting doesn't really count and its not like we all don't have an alt to use. I mean I have many accounts, even if I'm not using them do I need to divide my isk per hour between them all?

As for book marks why do you need to set up bookmarks? Generally I'll get my alt to probe out a combat site. I warp to it, when I get to about 1 au I bookmark a spot. Takes 1 second. If people come in you warp to spot, cloak. Do real life stuff till they leave.

I loot all my stuff myself, carry it around in my ship till I have a few billion worth and then get a WH back to high sec or low. Since you're scanning and bookmarking stuff as you go, there's usually multiple C1-C3 to choose from. I think you're over analysing things :)

Depends if its as godly as the Ishtar. I doubt it will be :)

Answer to underlined above.

Nothing is stopping you from killing anyone,anywhere, any time. Except your own fear of the consequences.

Since only carebears run around in fear and cry because CCP won't change the mechanics to suit them, you must , by definition, be a carebear.

So stop crying, already, and go shoot something, you whiny carebear.

Mr Epeen