EVE General Discussion

It is called supply and demand. Right now the supply has lowered compared to the demand which has caused prices to go up. Basic economics...this is a good thing. Don't like it? Get a job.

that is broken logic right there. You evoke sandbox, then break it for RL reasons? Plex should have been standardized by CCP with no player profit from the start. That way no one can 'fund' themselves using RL money - that is PtW.

I'm glad that plex prices are coming up. It helps me fund my PVP easier. Since plex has gone up ships seem to be at about the same prices. I am getting more bang for my buck.

I fund everything I do in game initially with plex. Why not work 1 hour of OT and buy 6 plex or spend 24 hours doing ****** in game activities that I hate making 100mil an hour.

I would rather spend RL money, then waste my time doing activities I hate in game.

Wow. Some of the math and logic in this thread is horrible.

First, the basic math: EVERY PLEX IN THE GAME was paid for with REAL money. Therefore, whether each player pays for their own sub, or player one pays for 2 subs and player two pays with the plex player 1 bought, ccp got paid for 2 subs that month. Stop saying that CCP loses loads of money because people pay with plex, as if plex are magically seeded into the game for free by CCP.

Plex increases the player base. The whole "plex increases player base, but with people who don't pay RL money so ccp loses out" is a load of crap. Yes, plex does increase player base with players who don't pay with RL money, but ccp makes money on it because someone else IS paying RL money for them. Just making up numbers, lets say with no plex system CCP has a subscription base of 200,000 subscribers. With a plex system, that base jumps to 250,000 subscribers, 50,000 of which pay only with plex. But CCP isn't giving out 50,000 free subscriptions. The original paying 200,000 subscribers are paying for an additional 50,000 subscriptions. CCP gets paid for an extra 50,000 subs because of this plex system (with these made up numbers). CCP doesn't care who pays the subs, as long as each sub is paid for by someone.

As far as the "losing money due to discounts"...

They do that as kind of a gamble that by lowering prices, they will get more subs. If they get enough extra subs, they more than make up for the discounted price, therefore making more money. It can be a gamble because if people don't buy more subs (plex), then they lose due to the discount. Basic example (not real figures): 10 players spend $15 each for 1 plex. CCP makes $150. CCP gambles and cuts prices to $10 / plex to try and sell more. If CCP is correct, say they end up selling 20 players plex for $10 each. That's $200 to CCP ($50 profit due to discount). If CCP is wrong, they may only sell 2 additional plex (12 total), giving them only $120, a $30 loss due to the discount. Keep in mind plex = 1 month subscription ($15 estimated value). So by giving a discount, CCP gambles that the discounted rate * new sub base > $15 * original sub base.

And lets not forget about someone who puts 10 billion worth of plex into a kestrel or other ship (idk, roughly 25 plex), then gets ganked or otherwise explodes somehow, and the plex do not drop (are destroyed). That's 25 plex * estimated $15 paid to CCP per plex = $375 paid to CCP for game time that will NEVER be redeemed, i.e. someone just donated 400 bucks to ccp by ganking some dumbass.

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Lets be more real.
Just some numbers i make up and i think those are more accurate. 200k paying subscribers .. with PLEX to play there is 500k paying customers.

Without PLEX you go down to at best 200k paying subsribers but more likely to 120k. So CCP will ultimately lose about 380k paying customers. So CCP will lose an huge chunk of money.

Now maybe i failed in reading comprehension.. if so i apologize.

First REAL reason that i have ever seen someone give (even if by mistake) as to why there either needs to be more people out in 0.0 or they need to attach leeches to people whom live in highsec's wallets (Isk sinks up the wazoo - Sov, Sov Upgrades, Pos's and their fuel, Rent, ship replacement because you loose at least 5 a day if you dont sit in station all day and go out and pvp like a drunken man with no fear.... i could go on..)


But honestly....


Here's how you afford to play eve.

You get a maccas meal or take out meal multiple times a week yes? Decent meal is about $7-10 yea?

Cut out two takeout meals from you're weekly diet, put money into eve subscription.

You need to loose weight anyway, fatties.

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oh oh oh, i might have come to an idea as to why there's so much inflation.

With CCP giving more resources back to eve, they may actualy have people working at the Bot Hunting department rather than an answering machine and have been weeding out the botters etc.

Those things, believe it or not, were a prime reason prices are low, as they're contributing a huge ammount of it purely becuase they're 23/7 all 365 days of the year.

Economy is slowly slowing down and prices going up as supply is starting to not meet demand?

Yes. EVE is actually a pay-to-win game. The difference is that the amount of "pay-to-win" is inherently limited by the number of players willing to pay ISK to sub their accounts with PLEX. It places an upper bound on the effectiveness of PtW, because an infinitely rich player can not buy an infinite number of PLEX to generate an infinite amount of ISK out of nowhere. The demand for PLEX is intrinsically finite, and thus there is a finite limit to the amount of "advantage" you can buy.

FURTHERMORE, even though there is "PtW", selling PLEX doesn't inherently grant you access to any items/activities that could not be obtained by playing the game. Therefore, PLEX isn't "PtW" in the sense of selling power to players, it is "PtW" in the sense of selling "accelerated gameplay" to players. And the people selling this "accelerated gameplay" is not CCP, but the players themselves.

The core difference between PLEX and other MT systems is that *EVERY* single advantage afforded by PLEX had to have been created by players playing the game in some way, shape or form. Every single ship had to be built, every single officer item had to be looted, every single last .01 ISK had to be rewarded through bounties/mission rewards/insurance payouts/etc...

So . . . basically OP has never heard of supply & demand or inflation.
This is nearly as bad as the people who complained about CCP giving out free aurum when they thought it would be better to give out free isk.

nice cover sonny. i hope they take away your accounts if you are up to what i think you lot are. and inform the tax man to make sure your paying revenue on all your incomes.

A rise in the price of one item, or even a handful is not inflation.

The most likely explanation is a reduced supply of plex.

Eve has plenty of ISK sinks, and with the increasing abundance of LP there will be more and more ISK dumped into LP stores.