EVE General Discussion

EVE Online history.

Tell that to anyone older than 80 in your country.

If Turing had not cracked the Enigma code, the German U-Boats would have caused far more damage to the Allied war effort than they did. (which was still enormous)
Canada at the end of the war had the third largest navy in the world. The vast bulk of that was corvettes and convoy escort ships, designed to keep the wolf-packs at bay, and by the end, hunt them down, in the North Atlantic.

Prior to the Enigma being cracked (after one was captured), the wolf-packs were starving the U.K.

Or perhaps we could look into the absolute panic the Royal Navy got into over the thought of the Bismarck and the Prinz Eugen raiding the sea lanes. Sinking the Hood was not the impetus to find and kill the Bismarck. It was the thought of how much damage those ships would do in cutting off supplies to Great Britain. (BTW, if anyone is interested, read up how the original plan the German naval leaders wanted was for the 2 Bismarck class BS's and the 2 Scharnhorst class battlecruisers to sortie out together and rain down hell on the shipping lanes.)

So yeah, in real life, a small group of ships, has, and will again, disrupt much much larger groups of ships and people.

The same thing happens every day in Eve.
Ask freighter pilots who use the Uedama or Niarja lanes, or who knows how many capital pilots after they have felt the joy of a PL or BL supercap hotdrop.

Yummy poco ehp

Shut up, EVE is real.

If a game doesn't have a coerlation to real life in some way, it is probaly too abstract or its probaly boring.

I mean if you can't relate to it with your understanding of real life, then how are you going to understand it.

I mean the EVE market kind of works like the real world stock market in some respects.

I have provided plenty of reasoning. I don't need to provide evidence that a POCO costs 100 million isk and has 10 million HP. It does. If you don't know that then nothing I can do about it.

My argument is that alliance infrastructure should be defended by the alliance, not by massive amounts of HP. Its unreasonable to want to have all your infrastructure functionally indestructible to small and medium gangs.

Plenty of meat there for you to make a counter argument, do you have one that is reasonable and not "we fail at recruiting people from different time zones so we should have 48 hours of notice" or "why should we defend our space, it costs too much".

To put a POCO into reinforced means doing 7.5 million damage. If you bring a small gang of 10 people in 800 dps ships (not unreasonable if you know you're shooting POCOs) you can do that damage in 15 minutes. Thats 2.5 hours of total effort and in return nobody can do PI on that planet for 24 hours. That sounds to me like the effort ratio is skewed massively in favour of the attackers right now. Why should it get easier?



The issue is not absolute cost, the issue is cost relative to just doing all your business in highsec where you actually are protected by game mechanics. If a 10 man gang can destroy a POCO in 5-10 minutes you're going to need a standing fleet of ~15 people per constellation you want to do PI in. If those 15 people could be making 50m ISK/hr elsewhere then PI in 0.0 constellations needs to be worth at least 18 billion more isk per day than PI in highsec otherwise people just won't bother.

So if small groups already can affect the large groups, nothing needs to be changed to allow these small groups to have that effect. Thanks for the clarity. /thread.

I think some people just like beeing deaf and blind, thats the reason why its happening

Who wants to actually fight when you can shoot structures and run away

:smugdog: paging Lyris Nairn