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So this is it for eve, is this the future, is it?

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#221 - 2013-08-29 09:41:51 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
*manica troll gurgling*



what did you say?

Is this your way of saying I'm right and you have no way to counter my claims?
See the problem with KM whoring is we all know what it looks like, and can pick you out as a pathetic excuse for a PvPer pretty easily.

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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#222 - 2013-08-29 09:52:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
William Walker wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I came to a game where I thought there would be intergalactic battles all the time, but what i found is thousands just chatting and discussing


Harry, go to 6VDT, go to 4-EP, go to 1DH, go to anywhere in Delve, go to the Eastern nullsec areas, go to Rancer, duel people in Amarr/Jita. There are fights everywhere. Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, of ships explode every day, every week! You are too focused on "crushing the goonpire", Harry. Broaden your horizon!
10/10 once again. You are the best, really.



I checked it, I made 300 jumps at least the last couple of weeks, if there is one dot that looks like a fight, you go there and its over... there is not enough, maybe one spot in nullsec per day

I just expected something else, complete war all over the map... searching and waiting, this is endgame for me

I played eve through, in 3 month

have seen it all, ready to move on o/

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#223 - 2013-08-29 09:55:54 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I checked it, I made 300 jumps at least the last couple of weeks, if there is one dot that looks like a fight, you go there and its over... there is not enough, maybe one spot in nullsec per day

I just expected something else, complete war all over the map.
Maybe you should… you know… look at the map as well?
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#224 - 2013-08-29 10:24:09 UTC
Yeep wrote:
You might be [elite], but if you were (and somehow managed to find your way back from the 1990s) you'd have no problem finding other superhuman pilots to fly with.

Why would I be looking for other "superhuman" pilots to fly with?
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#225 - 2013-08-29 10:29:48 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
William Walker wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I came to a game where I thought there would be intergalactic battles all the time, but what i found is thousands just chatting and discussing


Harry, go to 6VDT, go to 4-EP, go to 1DH, go to anywhere in Delve, go to the Eastern nullsec areas, go to Rancer, duel people in Amarr/Jita. There are fights everywhere. Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, of ships explode every day, every week! You are too focused on "crushing the goonpire", Harry. Broaden your horizon!
10/10 once again. You are the best, really.



I checked it, I made 300 jumps at least the last couple of weeks, if there is one dot that looks like a fight, you go there and its over... there is not enough, maybe one spot in nullsec per day

I just expected something else, complete war all over the map... searching and waiting, this is endgame for me

I played eve through, in 3 month

have seen it all, ready to move on o/

You are still an idiot lol.
LOOK at the KILLBOARDS.
LOOK at DOTLAN.
There are thousands of kill in null every day. You simply don't go where the kills are. This is because you only want to kill haulers, miners and cyno ships. You have no interest in an actual fight.
But don't let that discourage you from moving on. EVE is far better without people like you crying every day.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#226 - 2013-08-29 10:57:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
[quote=Lucas Kell
Of course not. What I'm saying is the timers are there to stop people simply taking whole regions of space while people are logged off. You can't expect every alliance to cover every timezone. And it's not like damage can't be caused. A reinforced moon tower doesn't pull moon goo. Jump bridges can be reinforced, stopping them from working. Station services can be destroyed, stopping them from working.

Timers just mean you can't log in to find everything gone, which trust me... is a good thing. Go look up a game called Neocron. They chose not to have timers on OP captures, and the entire system became a joke. Corps would wait until the defenders all logged out then ninja the OP in 10 minutes. Pretty soon, that's all that was happening and there was less PvP and the whole OP systems was pretty much ignored.

The thing is, like I said above fairly clearly is that if you made sov easier for the little guy to take, the big guy would find it easier too and crush you. No matter what restriction you put in place, the coalitions would find a way to make it work in their favor.

I get it though. You want a piece of space to call your own. The choices are get a bigger alliance that can actually take it by force, or go to WH space. I find it amusing that you talk in your post about hand holding, yet what you want is CCP to give you an easy way to take sov without having to fight the big alliances for it. Well gues what, the alliances you hate did that for you. It's called renting.[/quote]
Last thing I want is SoV. If I manage to chase off all the people in the system I'm in which happens all the time I'd like to be able to cause some damage to their installations. I can't.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#227 - 2013-08-29 11:06:56 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Last thing I want is SoV. If I manage to chase off all the people in the system I'm in which happens all the time I'd like to be able to cause some damage to their installations. I can't.


Sure you can. Bring a dread or a supercap in and attack one of the many targets the guy you quoted mentioned. Bring a battleship and shoot at them, it'll take longer but you'll get there in the end.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#228 - 2013-08-29 11:07:08 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Last thing I want is SoV. If I manage to chase off all the people in the system I'm in which happens all the time I'd like to be able to cause some damage to their installations. I can't.

Since when?
There's LOADS to shoot. Like I stated, a reinforce tower doesn't harvest goo, station services can be shot (and they don't even have guns guarding them!), jump bridges can be taken down. The list goes on.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#229 - 2013-08-29 11:09:38 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Last thing I want is SoV. If I manage to chase off all the people in the system I'm in which happens all the time I'd like to be able to cause some damage to their installations. I can't.


Sure you can. Bring a dread or a supercap in and attack one of the many targets the guy you quoted mentioned. Bring a battleship and shoot at them, it'll take longer but you'll get there in the end.

Oh, are we talking solo?
Yeah, structures generally can't be killed solo. This again though is to protect smaller groups. If you could solo a tower, I'd be taking a string of alts into wars with every high sec corp nuking towers every day.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#230 - 2013-08-29 11:16:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Last thing I want is SoV. If I manage to chase off all the people in the system I'm in which happens all the time I'd like to be able to cause some damage to their installations. I can't.


Sure you can. Bring a dread or a supercap in and attack one of the many targets the guy you quoted mentioned. Bring a battleship and shoot at them, it'll take longer but you'll get there in the end.

Oh, are we talking solo?
Yeah, structures generally can't be killed solo. This again though is to protect smaller groups. If you could solo a tower, I'd be taking a string of alts into wars with every high sec corp nuking towers every day.

If you're a small raiding gang its not feasible. You need a fleet. It takes forever for small med gangs to kill anything in abandoned systems.

You shot any lately? I have.

And its not to protect smaller groups, its to protect whining alliances and their passive incomes.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#231 - 2013-08-29 11:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lucas Kell wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
William Walker wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I came to a game where I thought there would be intergalactic battles all the time, but what i found is thousands just chatting and discussing


Harry, go to 6VDT, go to 4-EP, go to 1DH, go to anywhere in Delve, go to the Eastern nullsec areas, go to Rancer, duel people in Amarr/Jita. There are fights everywhere. Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, of ships explode every day, every week! You are too focused on "crushing the goonpire", Harry. Broaden your horizon!
10/10 once again. You are the best, really.



I checked it, I made 300 jumps at least the last couple of weeks, if there is one dot that looks like a fight, you go there and its over... there is not enough, maybe one spot in nullsec per day

I just expected something else, complete war all over the map... searching and waiting, this is endgame for me

I played eve through, in 3 month

have seen it all, ready to move on o/

You are still an idiot lol.
LOOK at the KILLBOARDS.
LOOK at DOTLAN.
There are thousands of kill in null every day. You simply don't go where the kills are. This is because you only want to kill haulers, miners and cyno ships. You have no interest in an actual fight.
But don't let that discourage you from moving on. EVE is far better without people like you crying every day.


nothing is going on out there, I'm pretty sure the average kill per system per hour is below zero, this is nothing for me... you might endup with a thousands because of the big amount of systems, but it does not feel like thousands if you are out there, it feels just like 1 kill per hour max!... pew nothing pew

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#232 - 2013-08-29 11:20:39 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Last thing I want is SoV. If I manage to chase off all the people in the system I'm in which happens all the time I'd like to be able to cause some damage to their installations. I can't.


Sure you can. Bring a dread or a supercap in and attack one of the many targets the guy you quoted mentioned. Bring a battleship and shoot at them, it'll take longer but you'll get there in the end.

Oh, are we talking solo?
Yeah, structures generally can't be killed solo. This again though is to protect smaller groups. If you could solo a tower, I'd be taking a string of alts into wars with every high sec corp nuking towers every day.

If you're a small raiding gang its not feasible. You need a fleet. It takes forever for small med gangs to kill anything in abandoned systems.

You shot any lately? I have.

And its not to protect smaller groups, its to protect whining alliances and their passive incomes.

Yes... Yes I have.
And yes, they take a lot of people to kill. But that's because they are a structure. If they made them easy to solo, then structures would be pointless. In MMOs, there's some stuff you can't do alone. That's just the way MMOs work.

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Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2013-08-29 11:21:08 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

If you're a small raiding gang its not feasible. You need a fleet. It takes forever for small med gangs to kill anything in abandoned systems.

You shot any lately? I have.

And its not to protect smaller groups, its to protect whining alliances and their passive incomes.


But if they're abandoned you have forever to shoot them so why not just do it? Or is what you really want the ability to destroy structures before anyone can try to stop you (i.e. completely risk free on your part).
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#234 - 2013-08-29 11:21:55 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Sure you can. Bring a dread or a supercap in and attack one of the many targets the guy you quoted mentioned. Bring a battleship and shoot at them, it'll take longer but you'll get there in the end.

So, how long would you say is a reasonable amount of time for 1 person to be able to take down 1 structure that 1 other person put up?

Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah, structures generally can't be killed solo.


Then, why can they be deployed solo? Why can they be maintained solo?

I know you're going to say, "But, the whole corporation/alliance/coalition deploys and maintains the structure." No they [expletive deleted] don't, or else there would be no need for "Invulnerable" and "Reinforced".
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#235 - 2013-08-29 11:23:48 UTC
Give up Lucas.

ヽ(⌒∇⌒)ﾉ へ(゜∇、°)へ (◕‿◕✿)
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#236 - 2013-08-29 11:27:21 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
nothing is going on out there, I'm pretty sure the average kill per system per hour is below zero, this is nothing for me... you might endup with a thousands because of that, but it does not feel like it, it feels just like 1 kill per hour max... pew nothing pew

There's loads going on out there. Stop saying the same dumbass stuff over and over again. At this point you are just spouting bullshit in an attempt to troll.
Of course there are completely empty systems that will bring it down, but your argument is you can't find ANY kills, and we are telling you to look in the right places. 1DH-SX in Delve for example has had 265 kills in the past 24 hours, that's 11 per hour. PR-8CA has had 221 in 24 hours, that's 9.2/hour. 319-3D has had 124, that's 5.1/hour.
Considering 1DH and PR-8 are next door to each other and 319 is 3 jumps away, it would seem to me that there's plenty going on there, and that's the place to go.
Here's a list of other places you might find people fighting:
WD-VTV (Catch)
TG-Z23 (Stain)
Y-MPWL (Providence)
KFIE-Z (Delve)
4-EP12 (Fountain)
6-CZ49 (Syndicate)
NRT4-U (Stain)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#237 - 2013-08-29 11:28:23 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
nothing is going on out there
Have you tried actually looking at the map?

Quote:
I'm pretty sure the average kill per system per hour is below zero
So what you're saying is that you're pretty sure you don't know maths?

Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah, structures generally can't be killed solo.
Sure they can. It just takes forever and involves laser or drone boats that you park there while you go watch a film… or five.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#238 - 2013-08-29 11:28:39 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Sure you can. Bring a dread or a supercap in and attack one of the many targets the guy you quoted mentioned. Bring a battleship and shoot at them, it'll take longer but you'll get there in the end.

So, how long would you say is a reasonable amount of time for 1 person to be able to take down 1 structure that 1 other person put up?

Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeah, structures generally can't be killed solo.


Then, why can they be deployed solo? Why can they be maintained solo?

I know you're going to say, "But, the whole corporation/alliance/coalition deploys and maintains the structure." No they [expletive deleted] don't, or else there would be no need for "Invulnerable" and "Reinforced".

Yeah we're talking about objects, some which only cost around 100 million isk (POCO), which is 50% less then a Battleship and you need a multi billion isk fleet to kill one. If that's not hand holding I don't know what is.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#239 - 2013-08-29 11:29:50 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Yeep wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Last thing I want is SoV. If I manage to chase off all the people in the system I'm in which happens all the time I'd like to be able to cause some damage to their installations. I can't.


Sure you can. Bring a dread or a supercap in and attack one of the many targets the guy you quoted mentioned. Bring a battleship and shoot at them, it'll take longer but you'll get there in the end.

Oh, are we talking solo?
Yeah, structures generally can't be killed solo. This again though is to protect smaller groups. If you could solo a tower, I'd be taking a string of alts into wars with every high sec corp nuking towers every day.


nuking towers solo, we finally getting there... I would have solo killed mittanigrad 3 month ago, because you people just take sov, and then logout

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2013-08-29 11:33:24 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

Yeah we're talking about objects, some which only cost around 100 million isk (POCO), which is 50% less then a Battleship and you need a multi billion isk fleet to kill one. If that's not hand holding I don't know what is.


No, you don't. You only need a multi-billion ISK fleet if you want to destroy them before anyone shows up to defend them.