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So this is it for eve, is this the future, is it?

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Addavar Thearox
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#201 - 2013-08-29 01:06:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Addavar Thearox
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
I'm winning every day against you, just check the statistics

I double checked the statistics and you don't seem to have harmed our sov or our moons. I fail to see how you are winning. Unless you meant to say whining...that I do see a lot of from you.

But is his killboard green, what about his isk efficiency and k/d ratio?


LOL, hes like 2 bill up and 4:1 right now. Better watch out goonies, Harrys comin for you P

Harry Forever - Eve Onlines new Charlie Sheen
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2013-08-29 01:15:13 UTC
I find it funny how the OP, Rekon, and their alts/ misguided supporters don't bother replying to anyone that proved them wrong and would much rather feed the people trolling them.

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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#203 - 2013-08-29 01:23:04 UTC
If you rent Null space in EVE, you have no more brains than a big dog. Had to be said.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#204 - 2013-08-29 01:44:29 UTC
My big dog happens to be a pretty bright son-of-a-gun.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#205 - 2013-08-29 02:03:45 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
My big dog happens to be a pretty bright son-of-a-gun.

Maybe he, too, can be an FC.

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2013-08-29 05:27:33 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
The issue is its just too easy for large alliances to claim a system and then abandon it. If someone actually wants to claim it and use it you can simply bridge to that system your not using, wipe out the smaller guys, then abandon it again. Locking up huge amounts of space with no ongoing effort.

Been exploring null sec lately, jump after jump of sov claimed systems, not a single person in any of them. Can't shoot anything, can't damage anything, most things are invulnerable, the rest are millions of hp's.

Stupid hand holding system. Its not wonder people are exploiting the weaknesses in the system to rent out huge amounts of space that they really couldn't hold if they had to defend and maintain it properly.

If they couldn't defend it one of the other null sec alliances would have taken it. They pay a maintenance fee on each system monthly. And you underestimate the logistics side of it. A lot of the systems are held to provide income and provide places for staging towers, jump bridges and things like that. You won't see people in every system all the time, but that doesn't mean they are unused.
I think the thing you miss here, which a lot of people seem to miss, is that you are a single individual. You will always have a disadvantage to a 10000 man alliance. If they balanced out the game so you could pose a threat to a 10000 man alliance, then the game would be WAY out of balance. It would then favor the individual over the team player, and destroy the main reason for EVE to be an MMO If you want to be an individual and do well, you need to move to a smaller class wormhole. That's what they were designed for. If you want to get involved in null sec, then you need to build up a force of a reasonable size to fight the other alliances.

The fee is negligible otherwise all those systems would not be locked in sov. You don't have to defend it the way defense normally works. You get an email and a whole lot of time to face stomp anyone with your alliance regardless of how far away it is. A roaming gang cant come in to your empty system you abandoned and damage anything because the game mechanics prevent it. No need to have a local defense force. No effort. Crap system.

Also what do you mean if they balance out the game so one person can damage a 10000 man alliance? Are you saying a 10000 man alliance needs to have the server protect its assets from one person. If 10000 people cant defend their assets from one person then they shouldn't have assets.

This is rapidly getting back to the dumb idea that in order to hold sov you should have to have people logged in, in ships, just waiting for someone to attack. The timers are just to enable a fair fight. Sure, they could remove those timers, then a small roaming gang could come and steal sov. For how long?
The 10000 man alliance would just come blap the system into nothing in a matter of minutes and it'd be done. The timers are there to stop another 10000 man alliance from ninja blapping the system out during low population time. For us as the english speakers, we generally have periods of low population, but we're lucky, since US, EU and AU timezones fit together well. But from the point of view of people like the Russians, or country specific alliances, there are huge periods of time where very few people will be logged on. It would simply become a case of whoevers got the biggest timezone spread wins.

The amount of times small gangs come on the forums demanding they get their easy entry into sov is ludicrous. Any change they make to make it easier for you to take sov would make it even easier for a large alliance to take it back, so you'd just lose lot's of stuff. Do you REALLY think a 100 man corp could hold up very long against a 200 man cap fleet with a 1400 man subcap support? You may as well just c9ontract all your starbase structures to the enemy and save on ships.

So you're saying you should be able to hold multiple regions of space while your logged out and nobody should be able to damage your crap? The server should hold your hand. There should be no raiders damaging your crops. Complete safety?




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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#207 - 2013-08-29 06:40:51 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm winning every day against you, just check the statistics


I double checked the statistics and you don't seem to have harmed our sov or our moons. I fail to see how you are winning. Unless you meant to say whining...that I do see a lot of from you.


if I shoot down 10 ships of yours but you only are able to shoot down 8 ships of mine, then I'm winning... the moons are only there to assure you can build those extra 2 ships that you need to keep loosing over players like me

pretty simple math there...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Rhes
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2013-08-29 06:44:42 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm winning every day against you, just check the statistics


I double checked the statistics and you don't seem to have harmed our sov or our moons. I fail to see how you are winning. Unless you meant to say whining...that I do see a lot of from you.


if I shoot down 10 ships of yours but you only are able to shoot down 8 ships of mine, then I'm winning... the moons are only there to assure you can build those extra 2 ships that you need to keep loosing over players like me

pretty simple math there...


You forgot that all 10 of my ships get refunded because of our son and moon income. Unless you are doing something to harm that income you will never win.

EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise
William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#209 - 2013-08-29 06:48:34 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
if I shoot down 10 ships of yours but you only are able to shoot down 8 ships of mine, then I'm winning... the moons are only there to assure you can build those extra 2 ships that you need to keep loosing over players like me

pretty simple math there...


But 1 frigate != 1 stealth bomber
And you are blapping alts, most probably. It's 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 to 8 (That's 20million max vs. 40 million times 8 = 320 million). They just need to each replace a frigate. You need to replace your stealth bomber, with warp core stabilizers, every time. Why the stabs, Harry?
10/10 you get me all the time.

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Kahetha
Eclipse of Darkness
#210 - 2013-08-29 06:57:36 UTC
maybe if CCP didn't cater to the goons so much we wouldn't have this problem... but... they do so... we do Big smile
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#211 - 2013-08-29 07:22:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
William Walker wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
if I shoot down 10 ships of yours but you only are able to shoot down 8 ships of mine, then I'm winning... the moons are only there to assure you can build those extra 2 ships that you need to keep loosing over players like me

pretty simple math there...


But 1 frigate != 1 stealth bomber
And you are blapping alts, most probably. It's 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 to 8 (That's 20million max vs. 40 million times 8 = 320 million). They just need to each replace a frigate. You need to replace your stealth bomber, with warp core stabilizers, every time. Why the stabs, Harry?
10/10 you get me all the time.


don't be stupid, I talked about ISK as well, I'm winning on both

but don't you worry 1. Oct is my last day, the people just suck

you all talk too much, endless arguing with you guys makes me sick

and because there is only thin PvP gameplay it always endsup to be that way

I came to a game where I thought there would be intergalactic battles all the time, but what i found is thousands just chatting and discussing

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#212 - 2013-08-29 07:31:18 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:

1. I might actually BE elite.

You might be, but if you were (and somehow managed to find your way back from the 1990s) you'd have no problem finding other superhuman pilots to fly with.
Moneta Curran
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2013-08-29 07:35:19 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

don't be stupid, I talked about ISK as well, I'm winning on both

but don't you worry 1. Oct is my last day, the people just suck

you all talk too much, endless arguing with you guys makes me sick

and because there is only thin PvP gameplay it always endsup to be that way

I came to a game where I thought there would be intergalactic battles all the time, but what i found is thousands just chatting and discussing


Perception is everything, Harry. Nobody here is ever going to give you the credit you obviously feel you deserve for preying on cyno alts and industrials with a stabbed bomber.

If you look at the killboards you'll find that clashes are taking place around the clock. The real question is why you chose not to go where the action is.

I for one am sad to see you leave as you've been such an entertaining clown.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#214 - 2013-08-29 07:35:48 UTC
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm winning every day against you, just check the statistics


I double checked the statistics and you don't seem to have harmed our sov or our moons. I fail to see how you are winning. Unless you meant to say whining...that I do see a lot of from you.


if I shoot down 10 ships of yours but you only are able to shoot down 8 ships of mine, then I'm winning... the moons are only there to assure you can build those extra 2 ships that you need to keep loosing over players like me

pretty simple math there...


You forgot that all 10 of my ships get refunded because of our son and moon income. Unless you are doing something to harm that income you will never win.


you never will run out of ships, the rats also come back forever, still I win against both

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#215 - 2013-08-29 07:42:36 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Rhes wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:

I'm winning every day against you, just check the statistics


I double checked the statistics and you don't seem to have harmed our sov or our moons. I fail to see how you are winning. Unless you meant to say whining...that I do see a lot of from you.


if I shoot down 10 ships of yours but you only are able to shoot down 8 ships of mine, then I'm winning... the moons are only there to assure you can build those extra 2 ships that you need to keep loosing over players like me

pretty simple math there...


You forgot that all 10 of my ships get refunded because of our son and moon income. Unless you are doing something to harm that income you will never win.


you never will run out of ships, the rats also come back forever, still I win against both


Why do i get a distinct odour of charlie sheen from this guy?

WINNING!!!!!111!!!!

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William Walker
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#216 - 2013-08-29 07:49:33 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
I came to a game where I thought there would be intergalactic battles all the time, but what i found is thousands just chatting and discussing


Harry, go to 6VDT, go to 4-EP, go to 1DH, go to anywhere in Delve, go to the Eastern nullsec areas, go to Rancer, duel people in Amarr/Jita. There are fights everywhere. Thousands, maybe even tens of thousands, of ships explode every day, every week! You are too focused on "crushing the goonpire", Harry. Broaden your horizon!
10/10 once again. You are the best, really.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#217 - 2013-08-29 08:28:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
This is rapidly getting back to the dumb idea that in order to hold sov you should have to have people logged in, in ships, just waiting for someone to attack. The timers are just to enable a fair fight. Sure, they could remove those timers, then a small roaming gang could come and steal sov. For how long?
The 10000 man alliance would just come blap the system into nothing in a matter of minutes and it'd be done. The timers are there to stop another 10000 man alliance from ninja blapping the system out during low population time. For us as the english speakers, we generally have periods of low population, but we're lucky, since US, EU and AU timezones fit together well. But from the point of view of people like the Russians, or country specific alliances, there are huge periods of time where very few people will be logged on. It would simply become a case of whoevers got the biggest timezone spread wins.

The amount of times small gangs come on the forums demanding they get their easy entry into sov is ludicrous. Any change they make to make it easier for you to take sov would make it even easier for a large alliance to take it back, so you'd just lose lots of stuff. Do you REALLY think a 100 man corp could hold up very long against a 200 man cap fleet with a 1400 man subcap support? You may as well just contract all your starbase structures to the enemy and save on ships.

So you're saying you should be able to hold multiple regions of space while your logged out and nobody should be able to damage your crap? The server should hold your hand. There should be no raiders damaging your crops. Complete safety?

Of course not. What I'm saying is the timers are there to stop people simply taking whole regions of space while people are logged off. You can't expect every alliance to cover every timezone. And it's not like damage can't be caused. A reinforced moon tower doesn't pull moon goo. Jump bridges can be reinforced, stopping them from working. Station services can be destroyed, stopping them from working.

Timers just mean you can't log in to find everything gone, which trust me... is a good thing. Go look up a game called Neocron. They chose not to have timers on OP captures, and the entire system became a joke. Corps would wait until the defenders all logged out then ninja the OP in 10 minutes. Pretty soon, that's all that was happening and there was less PvP and the whole OP systems was pretty much ignored.

The thing is, like I said above fairly clearly is that if you made sov easier for the little guy to take, the big guy would find it easier too and crush you. No matter what restriction you put in place, the coalitions would find a way to make it work in their favor.

I get it though. You want a piece of space to call your own. The choices are get a bigger alliance that can actually take it by force, or go to WH space. I find it amusing that you talk in your post about hand holding, yet what you want is CCP to give you an easy way to take sov without having to fight the big alliances for it. Well gues what, the alliances you hate did that for you. It's called renting.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#218 - 2013-08-29 08:37:10 UTC
Addavar Thearox wrote:
LOL, hes like 2 bill up and 4:1 right now. Better watch out goonies, Harrys comin for you P

Harry Forever - Eve Onlines new Charlie Sheen

Do you know why his KB is so green?
Look at his kills for a Loki kill. An NPC loki was being killed by goons, and Harry hit it with a bomb and got credit for that kill. He technically helped goons :D. When you delve into his KB, there's a few occurrences where he's just tagged himself into kills. If you just add up the ones where hes been the sole killer or a primary party (i.e. more than a single hit) he's not doing so well. This is mainly because what he hits is generally cyno pilots or empty haulers, and he loses a bomber about 80% of the time. He'd need to kill at least 8 ships to his one loss to balance.

Harry Forever wrote:

if I shoot down 10 ships of yours but you only are able to shoot down 8 ships of mine, then I'm winning... the moons are only there to assure you can build those extra 2 ships that you need to keep loosing over players like me

pretty simple math there...

You would be correct, if kill to death ratio was all that mattered... This isn't Call of Duty. Kills have an isk value, and you lose (badly fit) manticores to kill cyno ships.


Harry Forever wrote:
don't be stupid, I talked about ISK as well, I'm winning on both

See the top part of my post. You're only up on isk because you get a single hit in on someone else's kill, and the killboards don;t know how to separate it. It's called kill whoring, and it's a way to artificially inflate a KB. or are you still claiming that Loki as 100% your kill?

Harry Forever wrote:
I came to a game where I thought there would be intergalactic battles all the time, but what i found is thousands just chatting and discussing

Well we all find battle daily, so you must be doing it wrong. Which is what we keep trying to tell you. But go ahead. Tell me how I'm wrong and I suck and you rule and we just don't understand.

Harry Forever wrote:
but don't you worry 1. Oct is my last day, the people just suck

That is the BEST news I've heard today. Possibly all week. The fact that I know that somewhere you'll still be sharing the planet with me is a shame, but I will forbear.

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lollerwaffle
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#219 - 2013-08-29 09:33:55 UTC
JinSanJong wrote:
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
The alliances that hold the sov have worked hard and often had to fight another alliance for that sov. As long as they own it, they should be allowed to use the space however they want, even if it means renting it out. It's just like a real estate business. The people selling a piece of property to you don't necessarily have to be using it (that's probably why they are selling/renting it out in the first place).

The alliance renting out their space makes money, and the renters are able to live in nullsec without being tied down to said alliances. They an move in and do what they need/want to do for as long as they can pay for it. It's a win-win for everyone.

If an alliance doesn't want to rent out their space, they don't have to. Simple.


this is a game btw, just pointing that out. So shall we now put in the eve trailers. "Eve is no longer a sandbox, your game is controlled by others sorry, if you want to go into nullsec, just kiss someones ass, pay stupid amount of isk for even the worse systems, these are thew new microtransactions, oh but we still expect your monthly fee. Play on one server, but remember the players that have been playing for years have control of everything and you wont have the same level playing field as they did when only 3000 ppl ws online"

i mean lets be honest here...whilst we are at it.

You don't like it, you have the freedom to make a change to the current system. That is a sandbox. Just because you're incapable of doing so does not take anything away from the nomenclature.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#220 - 2013-08-29 09:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Lucas Kell wrote:
*manica troll gurgling*



what did you say?

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm