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New dev blog: Ship-troduction: The Minmatar Tornado

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Naomi Wildfire
Sonnenlegion
Shadow Cartel
#361 - 2011-10-23 01:09:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Naomi Wildfire
Next ally tourney will field lots of Tier3 BCs i hope, would get damn interesting since it would be the biggest change since the introduction of T3 Cruisers


@poster above me

Quote:
Tier 4 is unneeded... what role would the fill?
BS? Already taken! (by 3 tiers + tech 2 variants)
BC? Already taken! (by 2 tiers + tech 2 variants)
CR? Already taken! (by 4 tiers + tech 2 variants)


at first, it is clearly Tier3

second:
BS = Battleship
BC = Battlecruiser
CR = Combat Recon


Seriously get a clue before you start bitching about stuff you dont know. In addition you are missing faction/pirate versions.

ISD BH Newmind > Jingle bells, Tuxford smells, Falcon laid an egg =D
Rip Minner
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
#362 - 2011-10-23 03:41:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Rip Minner
Ya this is just what we need lets make Battle Ships even more useless and unwanted out side of pve.What?


Edit: On the bright side I do look forward to new ships.Bear

Is it a rock point a lazer at it and profit. Is it a ship point a lazer at it and profit. I dont see any problems here.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#363 - 2011-10-23 04:49:57 UTC
BC hull w/BS wepaons. So we're talking faster velocity and agility, faster lock times, not so long on the locking range, but easily boostable. Decent tank. Hmm... snipers? Ambush troops? Should be very desirable for suicide ganks. They will definitely replace the welpcane.

Feeling very glad I have my torp skills nearly maxed. (Hoping its torps for Caldari.)

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
Den Sethos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#364 - 2011-10-23 05:58:31 UTC
I'm looking forward to this.
It should give some variety to BCs and maybe, just maybe, allow people to clear L4 missions without a slow, clumsy battleship.

What's more, a third tier means we might get more Tech 2 BCs (look at the BSs: 3 tiers, the first 2 with T2 equivalents)
Nydia Winters
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#365 - 2011-10-23 08:02:01 UTC
Seams like they should be their own class they sound like Pocket Battleships; an example would be the Admiral Graf Spee.
s73v3n2k
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#366 - 2011-10-23 09:34:43 UTC
Increased PG/CPU for large weapons will also allow for large buffer tanks to be fitted to them so certainly be interesting to see if they are used as intended or not.

Good to see CCP are actually back on track and adding things people actually want to see in the game.

More of the same please.
Scarlett Ninja
Section 5
#367 - 2011-10-23 09:42:08 UTC
David Grogan wrote:
CCP Masterplan wrote:
To My Hurricane:
Sorry, I've found something else.
Something vertical



hehe RIP welpcane HELLOOOOOOOOOOO welpnado


also it keeps in tune with wind based storms for the minmatar battlecruisers

cyclone, hurricane, tornado, if ever a tier 4 one comes out what is left to name it with? Gale?



how about "Storm"
Ahrman Vanaheim
Chimaera Combine
#368 - 2011-10-23 11:01:23 UTC
Really looking forward to the other 3 races new BC's, particularly Caldari and Gallente!



Lots of really great entries for all the ships, however this one would probably make an outstanding Amarr BC later:

http://browse.deviantart.com/contests/2010/eveonline/?qh=&section=&q=king#/d2z65ee

Different enough to stand out from the current ships, yet a design that grows on me. Would love to see one of those, in that colour scheme flying Smile
Destructor1792
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#369 - 2011-10-23 11:06:59 UTC
I can see these ships being fast but paper thin... Get ready for many tears Twisted

Not fired a shot in anger since 2011.... Trigger finger is starting to get somewhat itchy.......
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
#370 - 2011-10-23 12:49:34 UTC
If CCP gets the hybrid fix to work, then I can dream of a blaster-cannon BC. Twisted

....as if 10,058 Goon voices cried out and were suddenly silenced.
Jill Antaris
Jill's Open Incursion Corp
#371 - 2011-10-23 12:58:47 UTC
Will wait for the stats, slot layouts and bonuses before judging. However I can't see this concept work outside minmatar ships, where a hull that does this already exist.

Oh and the gallente one should look like this: AquilonBig smile, the Mentor was a very cool design for amarr even if it actually looked more like a drone carrier.
Katabrok First
Apukaray Security
#372 - 2011-10-23 14:34:28 UTC
s73v3n2k wrote:
Increased PG/CPU for large weapons will also allow for large buffer tanks to be fitted to them so certainly be interesting to see if they are used as intended or not.

Good to see CCP are actually back on track and adding things people actually want to see in the game.

More of the same please.

Probably it will use the same bonus as stealth bombers, a reduction in PG and CPU for the large guns, instead of higher value attributes...
CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#373 - 2011-10-23 15:12:17 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Thank you for all your replies and feedback. The majority of the posts show excitement! Roughly a quarter of the posts I have read (and I have read them all) had a positive attitude but were a bit hesitant. I saw less than 5% of the posts that considered this idea as being really bad.

Most of the hesitation results from lack of solid numbers so far as you haven't seen the stats of the new ships or how exactly they will work. Won't the tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers become useless? Won't the new battlecruiser have a too strong tank, making them overpowered? Won't the tier 2 battleships become useless? What about the Gallente ship, will it at least this time not get the short end? And how will tracking work, a fast ship with large weapons? We saw more questions and read them all!

CCP Ytterbium is working on a new Devblog with more information about the Tornado and its brothers in arms.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer
Buzzmong
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#374 - 2011-10-23 15:23:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Buzzmong
Blimeh, a dev response after the first couple of pages, it's like the old days again P

I'm just curious what role these new BC's will fulfil.

The idea is awesome, but the idea behind titans and motherships (supercarriers) was also Awesome(TM) and look how that turned out.

EvE doesn't need awesome ideas when ships are added, it needs solid roles which ships are designed to fill otherwise you end up with the problems we've got now, ie supercarriers and to a similar extent, T3 Cruisers (jack of all trades, but oddly also extremely good at said trades, like the Tengu).

If this idea with the BC's using next size up weapons works out nicely, would CCP be willing to take the idea and apply it to Destroyers? They *really* could do with a lot of love and have needed it for many years now.
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#375 - 2011-10-23 15:51:24 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:
Won't the tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers become useless?


Tier 1 BCs are already useless, as are most of the lower-tier cruisers and frigates. Personally, I'm worried CCP is reinforcing the tier concept with these ships, when you should be removing it.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#376 - 2011-10-23 16:04:06 UTC
Jack Dant wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
Won't the tier 1 and 2 battlecruisers become useless?


Tier 1 BCs are already useless, as are most of the lower-tier cruisers and frigates. Personally, I'm worried CCP is reinforcing the tier concept with these ships, when you should be removing it.


This.

I find it utterly annoying that CCP is the last one admitting the most evident thing.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Raid'En
#377 - 2011-10-23 16:05:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Raid'En
Jack Dant wrote:
as are most of the lower-tier cruisers and frigates. Personally, I'm worried CCP is reinforcing the tier concept with these ships, when you should be removing it.

well it's normal given they all have nice tech2 variant, et a noob will never have a reason to test those little things, given he will quickly have a better option.
that's sad, but it would need a total revamp of all ships to make this better, and i don't think a good result is possible...
Xeldrak
Khanid Spirits Inc.
#378 - 2011-10-23 16:14:42 UTC
One word: Awesome!

But now give us the amarr one that will crush this puny minmatar-construct Lol

gotta got - change my skillplan
Alara IonStorm
#379 - 2011-10-23 16:19:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Rip Minner wrote:
Ya this is just what we need lets make Battle Ships even more useless and unwanted out side of pve.What?

These ships from the EVEkill Top 20 think you are talking crazy.

3 Abaddon 52906
4 Armageddon 25130
5 Maelstrom 24284
6 Tempest 22567

But hey I am sure the 175kEHP Abbadon is very scared of a Ship with 25% the Tank that it can hit.

Really if anyone should be scared of these things it should be.

1 Drake 141384
2 Hurricane 85968

These guys which can get hit by those weapons and can not out run the New Battlecruiser.
Jack Dant
The Gentlemen of Low Moral Fibre
#380 - 2011-10-23 18:33:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Jack Dant
Raid'En wrote:
Jack Dant wrote:
[quote=CCP Phantom]as are most of the lower-tier cruisers and frigates. Personally, I'm worried CCP is reinforcing the tier concept with these ships, when you should be removing it.

well it's normal given they all have nice tech2 variant, et a noob will never have a reason to test those little things, given he will quickly have a better option.
that's sad, but it would need a total revamp of all ships to make this better, and i don't think a good result is possible...

It's not the T2 variants, it's the tiers: cyclone vs hurricane, prophecy vs harbinger, etc.

Tier 1 and 2 BCs have the same skill requirements (to fly effectively), and, once fit and rigged, have very similar costs. But the tier 1 BCs have less slots and fitting, so they are much weaker and generally only flown by noobs, or by people trying to look like noobs to get fights.

It would be so easy to give the tier 1 ships the extra slots and PG/CPU to become competitive, and recover 4 perfectly good ships.

EDIT: That's not to say there is no room for the Tornado & co. They are a very good concept, and they can have their role. As long as they are not better at doing their jobs as the ships we already have.

What happens in lowsec, stays in lowsec, lowering the barrier to entry to lowsec PVP: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=476644&#post476644