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Please Help Me Understand the Goonfolk

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Fey Ivory
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2013-05-30 06:40:43 UTC
Eve is a sandbox, cant really say their wrong or right, personally i think to many get to upset about what they think is wrong, but to sort of balance the equation, we need abit of everything in this game, and thats the beuty of eve... As long as things are kept within of the games rules, and people can keep the balance and understand whats pixels in a game, and not to let it spill ower into real life !

Its like the saga star wars, take away the empire, and it be a kinda dull saga ;P
dark heartt
#62 - 2013-05-30 06:43:34 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
dark heartt wrote:
Kult Altol wrote:
Anything on Mitannil is garbage.

Got some proof?


Asking for proof of an opinion. You win the thread.


Something like a bad article is completely provable. But thanks for declaring me victor :D.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
Somethin Awfull Forums
#63 - 2013-05-30 06:45:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Kamden Line wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:


Also, shouldn't there be some Provi-bloc RP going on? Like... "Corey Fumishitposter roars, 'Ye foul goons are all naught but a bunch of besotted nerfherders! Begone from EVE or thou shalt feel the wrath of my Tormentor in your backsides!' "


Hey, you are pretty good! You should totally join, you sound like CVA Director material to me!

*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal


*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal
To the rest of Nulsec, Providence and CVA are something of a running joke, ignored largely because Providence is literally the worst region in the game, outstripping even Syndicate for lack of good moons, good PVPers, *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

Indeed, Providence truly is the only place in the game aside from high sec where I can follow around a fleet with a neutral alt and not get blown up.


While for different reasons, it's one thing CVA and Goons share.

Everyone loves to hate on them and for no personal reason.
Darth Kilth
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-05-30 06:55:08 UTC
Most Hi-sec players only know Goons for their hi-sec activities, gangking mining boats and freighters and blowing up Jita once in a while.
It's not that special, plenty of other alliances and corps have people blowing **** up in Hi-sec but the Goons are the most obvious with it as they got the entire Burn Jita event and the Hulkageddon meaning that most people will learn about the goons trough those ways first.

A lot of people doing research on the goons will quickly stumble on the SA forums and will often and wrongly come to the conclusion it's a /b/ behind a pay barrier....

So people quickly get the idea that the Goons are both elitist and enjoy blowing up defence less space ships, which explains why lots of people hate them.


Combine that with the entire Blue doughnut **** that goes around and people always hearing that Goonswarm killed BoB ages back, not to mention Goons scamming idiots once in a while (not more then other aliances) and people will think Goons are hypocrites and scammers/liars/thief's.



In reality they are not unlike most other alliances and got the same mix of people you find in other alliances, some hate for them might be justified but most other stuff is way overblown.
Not that the goons care tough, hating them on the forum just mean you're giving them attention.
Daedlus Caine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#65 - 2013-05-30 07:55:26 UTC
Darth Kilth wrote:
it's a /b/ behind a pay barrier....


Nothing but /b/ can relate to /b/ man. Nothing.
Josef Djugashvilis
#66 - 2013-05-30 08:03:55 UTC
The Goons, as with many power groups in the history of Eve, rapidly becoming a fading force in the game, but very active on the forums.

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Danni stark
#67 - 2013-05-30 08:09:26 UTC
love them or hate them. they create content. every one likes content.
voetius
Grundrisse
#68 - 2013-05-30 08:53:11 UTC

for me a better question would be : Why do people have such strong opinions about other groups ? In this case other groups of players, or groups of people that have a different playstyle.

But that is rather a broad question :)
Josef Djugashvilis
#69 - 2013-05-30 09:59:55 UTC
Danni stark wrote:
love them or hate them. they create content. every one likes content.


You missed out the word, 'did'

The Goon planned and executed Ice Interdiction, was the single best player created event in my time in Eve. It was original, fun and had a purpose which affected the Eve universe.

Burn Jita was just an attention seeking exercise in futility, with no real effect on the Eve universe. Just lots of folk sacrificing their ships to Concord.

To repeat Burn Jita is evidence that the folk in the goons who can and did come up with great gameplay seem to have run out of ideas.

Shame really.

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Capt Tenguru10
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#70 - 2013-05-30 10:16:59 UTC
well consider that i was trying to join a corp, and a "recruiter" dropped by to offer me a spot. well needless to say he tried to scam me. one with moving my ships. two with security deposit. when i gave him links to something aweful and showed him web pages exposing the scam. he assured me that was in the past and goons are now trustworthy. sadly this isnt the case and i didnt get taken for anything.

lesson here they are still scamming and ripping off people, who just want to have fun and play a game.

http://i.imgur.com/EYX5Zi7.gif

Harry Forever
SpaceJunkys
#71 - 2013-05-30 11:38:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
goons are people who laugh at the beginning and cry at the end

they are strong in groups but weak within themselves

that weakness will make them falter
Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#72 - 2013-05-30 11:46:33 UTC
Its common for people to hate those at the top, or hate the bigger groups. Goons also have the inert ability to **** off(troll) anyone who isn't a goon. Which doesn't help their likability.

To be fair however many goons hate other goons just as much.

Its a very odd organization.

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John Ratcliffe
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Holdings
#73 - 2013-05-30 12:25:04 UTC
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
However, they are astonishingly poor winners who pay $10 to belong to the "winning" team. Their main tactic is to make other players so miserable that they leave the game. Their "leader" advocated driving other players to suicide. google Mittani art of war for more on that philosophy.


They do have a cool logo though...

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

pussnheels
Viziam
#74 - 2013-05-30 12:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Daedlus Caine wrote:
First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway

As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.

Thanks for reading!

there is nothing to understand , they become part of the lore *Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire

Mulani Askiras
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-05-30 12:39:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
Mulani Askiras wrote:
Goons aren't going to Providence. Quit blowing smoke.

Goons are as boring as they sound. The most they can do is attack defenseless ships via suicide ganks because the general player skill in Goon is pretty abysmal.

It's pretty well accepted why you guys turn to 'player generated content' such as jita burn, since ya'll are worthless in null.


that's because your only exposure to goonswarm was losing your poorly fit hulk to a suicide gank

we have always encouraged goons to go out to highsec and flog the wildlife regardless of how well we do in 0.0, even after having conquered every region in 0.0 at some point in time, except immensea and providence



Nope. I've been around since 2004 Princess. I haven't fit a hulk since the dawn of time.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-05-30 12:50:25 UTC
E-2C Hawkeye wrote:
Daedlus Caine wrote:
First of all, I'm not sure if this belongs in the general or the alliance/corp dicussions. vov I'll risk it anyway

As I have been playing actively for about a year or two now, I've been trying to figure out why I have this mental alignment to hate the Goons. Maybe it's their popularity, maybe the fact fedoras died in the 70's, or if Mister Shadoo of PL's face makes me laugh more. So I ask of any member of the Goonswarm that passes by, what's your game? I have a difficult time thinking you're pirates. It's not the usual MO of the sociopaths of low-sec. I want to hear a Goon's thought of what they are and their alignments to the EVE universe are. Let's face it though, I'll probably only get a snark comment.

Thanks for reading!


The reason for the goon hate is because they don’t respect the game or the gaming community. They exploit every aspect of the game and try to manipulate every exploitable situation to suite them regardless of how it effects the game or the people in it.

With that said In any organization both good and bad people can be found, but in bad organizations you seldom see the good people in charge. The few control the many.


Goons are like Bill Gates. Ruthless when it comes to business, but a pleasure to be with for personal reasons.
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#77 - 2013-05-30 12:58:25 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
You missed out the word, 'did'

The Goon planned and executed Ice Interdiction, was the single best player created event in my time in Eve. It was original, fun and had a purpose which affected the Eve universe.

Burn Jita was just an attention seeking exercise in futility, with no real effect on the Eve universe. Just lots of folk sacrificing their ships to Concord.

To repeat Burn Jita is evidence that the folk in the goons who can and did come up with great gameplay seem to have run out of ideas.

Shame really.


burn jita 2 was "gee, with what we've learned about freighter ganking in the last year, could we pull it off better? let's see"

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Mhax Arthie
Doomheim
#78 - 2013-05-30 13:42:27 UTC
Robus Muvila wrote:
Corey Fumimasa wrote:
You sound like a Goon alt trying to obscure their history. Well played yourself.

However, they are astonishingly poor winners who pay $10 to belong to the "winning" team. Their main tactic is to make other players so miserable that they leave the game. Their "leader" advocated driving other players to suicide. google Mittani art of war for more on that philosophy.

Something Awful forums is a business model that has made 1.5 million + dollars on subscriptions and has a substantial add revenue due to its subscribers. Whether or not some of this money is used to help the Goons along is impossible to ascertain. However what is undeniable is that someone has a very nice life because of Goon success.

It is this probable smashentment of RL money and influence with a game that makes people despise them. Its like the obnoxious guy who buys cheat codes and then brags about how he kicks ass.


Wow, there's so many idiotic statements in this post. But for now I'll function on your forum ignorance.

The physical forum entity known as "Something Awful" has no link with EvE Goons. The SA forums are run by a guy called Lowtax. The $10 joining fee serves a purpose besides sweet monies.
It makes for a perfect idiot filter. Trolls, spammers and career retards are not particularly keen on paying $10 again to rejoin again upon getting banned. Thats like saying that Reddit funds Dreddit through gold subscriptions.

Wait... your trolling now, right? Because if not, this is the best scam.. errr.. business model evah! So you set up a forum where you ask people to pay 10 buck to pass the idiot filter. So actually even if your a complete nut, the teen buck will make you a genius. I'm not even laughing... if this is true, it's fukin brilliant! Every day I learn something new!
Speedkermit Damo
Invicta.
Muffins of Mayhem
#79 - 2013-05-30 13:52:23 UTC
Goons fill the role of Eve's pantomime villians very well.

When the Euro-goons deployed to Provi a few months ago, many of us came to respect their skill as PvP pilots as they gave some very good fights, and won most of them.

However as human beings, the less said about some of them, the better. but I suppose all groups have their share of snide tossers.

Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#80 - 2013-05-30 14:33:06 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Kamden Line wrote:
KuroVolt wrote:
Ripblade Falconpunch wrote:


Also, shouldn't there be some Provi-bloc RP going on? Like... "Corey Fumishitposter roars, 'Ye foul goons are all naught but a bunch of besotted nerfherders! Begone from EVE or thou shalt feel the wrath of my Tormentor in your backsides!' "


Hey, you are pretty good! You should totally join, you sound like CVA Director material to me!

But yeah, stop badposting.


It must be hard to be so irrelevant that you have to post to G-D to get someone to acknowledge you. To the rest of Nulsec, Providence and CVA are something of a running joke, ignored largely because Providence is literally the worst region in the game, outstripping even Syndicate for lack of good moons, good PVPers, and worst of all, good posters.

Indeed, Providence truly is the only place in the game aside from high sec where I can follow around a fleet with a neutral alt and not get blown up.


While for different reasons, it's one thing CVA and Goons share.

Everyone loves to hate on them and for no personal reason.


Yup, dunno what I said that could have possibly triggered a response from a Tribe grunt of all things, but there ya go!

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.