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THE NEW HACKING SUCKS> CHANGE IT BACK< EVERYONE I KNOW HATES IT!

the "mini can" "scatter" "mechanic" is the dumbest thing i've seen in any game. there are no words to describe how retar*ed it is.

i beat the freaking dumb mini game, i should be able to get all the stuff inside.

this retar*ed mechanic didn't actually encourage any "team play" as they call it, nobody ever brought a "friend" just sit there and wait and to click on the **** cans in space. if someone ever brings a friend it's to hack 2 cans at the same time, not sit there like a cow waiting for the grass to grow - aka mini-cans.

furthermore, they're mostly a waste of time. the risk/reward ration has decreased a ton.

i suggest the CCP stops implementing half-assed features that take a 12 years old kid 5 minutes to come up with.

think about MEANINGFUL GAMEPLAY, longevity, creativity, originality, FUN, because you completely fail at all those aspects.

i am sure you're familiar with the saying "people love everything about eve except playing it", do something about that if you want your game to survive in the long term.

Agreed 100%

Loot spew is beyond any saving,cannot even count the ways it is bad.

Let me assure you: Everyone you don't know hates it too, except for people working at CCP. This is why the new sites are basically the old sites, minus probing.

The fact that there is now damned near zero learning curve in Exploration is disappointing. Sure it helps to have good skills, but the reward for devoting months of training time to acquiring good skills, and learning how to utilize them? Pretty much nada, zip, zilch, nothing.

Train Racial Frigate to V.
Train Cov Ops to IV.
Train all Scanning Skills to III
Train Mini-Game Skills to IV

Beyond this point, there is not simply diminishing returns, there's vanishing returns.

Re-work Exploration so that, at some point, it actually rewards your dedication in some tangible manner. Access to better sites requiring Lvl V skills, better loot chances, something.

Right now, it's "Fit Analyzers, Cargo Scanner, probe launcher, cloak, MWD, and cargo expanders. Add one of each type of T1 mini-game rig. Off to the races."

Sure, I can use T2 modules, but, for anyone who can do basic math, they're largely unnecessary.

There's no real incentive any more, in terms of a tangible benefit, to devoting anything beyond minimal training time to Exploration.

Not only that, it's BORING! Scan, hack, grab the two or three decent cans, move along, rinse & repeat. A Cov Ops accompanied by a Blockade Runner has absolutely nothing to fear in these sites.

Just think about what I've written. You went too far with the changes, going from Impossible except for a few devoted to the trade (I was one of them) to "Heck with it, everyone's invited!"

Also, the loot spew is just stupid. The only thing it does is irritate people. Repeatedly. Not a good example of thinking the whole process through.

You should know it takes a lot to get CCP to change their stance on something they thing is brilliant.

nevermind most of us are letting them know at every turn: loot spew is *bleep* we dont want it.

Few things.
1) Rats are still present in the highsec static cosmos plexes.

This isn't a huge deal but not being able to resize the hacking window inhibits my ability to monitor my ship and keep doing damage to the rat spawns. These particular rats respawn on a timer and depending on the particular site can be significant incoming damage.

2) Loot spew mechanic present in highsec static cosmos plexes that still contain rats.

This is an issue because it adds another hurdle in collecting the items while trying to manage ship health and fighting respawning rats. It also causes a 50% chance to miss a high value rare item that is confirmed to appear in a random spew container. I have repeated this hundreds of time using two toons and verified that "Takmahl quantum sphere" can appear in any of the spew containers regardless of name. For a single player running the site this has effectively reduced their income by 50% over pre-spew mechanic.

3) Cans near structures can spew containers towards the structure and out of range of the ship.

Port Maphante in Garisas system, to the far right of the room nestled into a corner against a structure, actually has a container that you cannot even get within range of to hack. I have tried burrowing through the structure with AB/MWD from every angle possible and the closest I have gotten to it is 7700m. The only possible way this could be accessed would be using an Echelon with the Purloined Sansha Codebreaker (10km range) but you would need logi support to keep the ship alive and still would not be able to collect the spew containers as they would need to travel 4700m toward you to be within the 3000m tractor range. I have scanned the container and it contains no special loot as compared to the other containers.

How are Data Sites worthless? For me they provide up to 30M ISK/site for even less effort than Relic sites because you only need to concentrate on 1 single can if you follow your cargo scan results. They also provide me with free data cores and decryptors (don't even start with opportunity cost. They need to be factored into the calculations like any other material, but you didn't pay for them on the market, thus giving you some more leeway on price dumping.)

The loot spew is -- while irritating at times in certain regions where the nebula makes it hard to see the green cans -- very enjoyable. More than one player also is definitely not necessary if you follow your cargo scan. You'll lose some cans, but the vast majority is claimable, even without the Poteque hardwirings to increase the decay time. Apart from Material/Parts in Relics and Parts only in Datas you can just ignore the rest until you have all the desirable cans and then go to the next hacking container. Again Cargo Scanners are mandatory. If you don't cargo scan the hackable container, don't complain that you miss out on loot.

The minigame is the best new feature of all in Odyssey, even beating the streamlined probing. As you said, it's a lot more enjoyable than the mere sitting on a can, watching the analyzer go round after round and not achieving anything. Frustration is part of this game, not just the minigame. If Restoration Nodes annoy you, destroy as many as you can, and leave the rest. I for myself find those defensive measure that reduce the Attack Points of your virus more annoying. But I don't care much about it. If there are too many RN (I sometimes encounter 6 on one grid, that's a blast I tell you. ) or of the other mentioned defenses, I just leave them and explore as much of the grid as possible. If it turns out that I cannot hack the minigame and I lose the can, so be it. You cannot expect that you get everything served to you on the silver platter in EVE. Sometimes you lose things, sometimes you are lucky and get it all.


In case of the Ghost Sites it is similar. You land and cargo scan the cans you see. If there is no good BPC inside, you just leave and don't risk your ship. If you have a can with a good BPC, you go there as quickly as possible, hack the can, take the goodies and leave. If there are 2 containers with good BPC, you need to make a decision: only take one or risk your life. The payout is a bit limited, that's true, but you are by no means in any danger of losing your ship if you don't get too greedy (unless of course you are unlucky in the hacking process). Again, you must not expect to gain everything the game offers you on the banquet: You are to take what you can, and if you are not able to carry everything, you need to try again later and improve.
Payout cannot be increased by CCP by adding more things to the exploration sites. If Datas/Relics give more loot, prices will just drop even further. Less than expected people use the Ascendancy Implants so more BPCs of those would also only result in lower prices. So, if the payout is not in your favor, just leave the Ghost Site and it vanishes without putting you at risk. If you find a Relic/Data site that is not profitable enough, leave it alone completely and move on, or run it completely and make another one spawn somewhere else. The worst tactics of all those whiners I've encountered so far is only doing these sites halfway, leaving the bad containers intact and so blocking spawn of possibly better sites for the constellation/region. It's griefing, of course, but if I then read posts like yours, I cannot help but to run to the toilet and puke. This hypocrisy is inconceivable.

So, all in all, you need to make decisions, which is an intended feature of the new systems, whether it is which cans to grab or which sites to run. It's a good foundation for interesting new features in the future. Especially the minigame should find more application in other areas. Payout depends on players, not primarily on CCP. Players like to destroy prices in the markets, not CCP; henceforth their collective fault for not getting desired payouts in exploration. Risk is also up to the player. CCP gave us choices, you have to decide on them. Also the mindset that everyone is entitled to get everything out of what the game offers needs to change. You cannot expect that, it's simply stupid and childish.

How is luck based bad? And it is not just since Odyssey luck based; in contrast it also was luck based before. Moreover, I really like to click a lot over a grid and be done with the hacking in under 5 minutes than having to wait 15 minutes on a can and watch my hacker run mad circles without any result.

And again I have to stress that, if you use a Cargo Scanner, you don't have any luck involved in the looting. Only the grid can be in bad favor.

A thing that I personally find annoying, however, is the fact that even if you click on a scatter container it sometimes takes a second or two before the tractor beam starts working and by then some containers already have decayed. This communication lag between the client and the server is massively irritating.