Crime & Punishment

Capital I's you missed them

James and his merry band of gankers aren't wolves in sheep's clothing, they're open about what they do, and have fun wrapping it in rhetoric and role play. The wolf in sheep's clothing is the guy hiding in plain sight and providing the warpin.

These miners need help. I'm no Knight of the New Order, nor even an Agent, But I see the dire straits the mining community is in. Yes, the word is slowly getting out, on how to mine without being a meat-drone. Or a victim. But it's not getting out FAST enough.

Not even 20 minutes ago, I watched an untanked barge land in a belt - there I was with a cruiser, watching him... With my negative status, my history easy to learn. What did he do? Motored - slowly - across the belt and started stripping rocks. I go away. I come back - In a Gankalyst. I lock him. Scan him. Motor on over at unboosted speeds, and burn him down. 27 kilometers I slow-boated, and he didn't even so much as *twitch* until I pulled the trigger. And then, only to get his pod out - which he wouldn't have, if I hadn't been feeling lazy.

Where is their sense of self-preservation?* Where is is the AWARENESS of their environment?
Clearly, some are far-gone into the captivity of the drone-mind.

They must be awoken.




*To be honest, some 15 or so miners *did* heed my presence, and left the system, or logged. Others docked up - fast. I earned myself some more free drones. But *those* miners are not the problem. The zombies are the issue.


Edit:
Did it again. Only this time, I motored 43 kilometers. AND he had drones out - which he was actually managing. I even locked him while out of my best firing range... He sat there and burned like a log in a furnace.
When will sheer self-preservation take hold..?!

You spell bad. It Loose not lose, lrn2play real Eve way not like some crystaltips wannabe.

My tally now 148mil to nil. Mayans say hi, Jambo315. Hisec miner tramscend humanity here, become as God.

Must be, invulnerable to ganks. 148/3=44 Cats down equivalent. For whatcthey sot in station daisychain jellybaby party?

Come on, NO. All mouth and no trousers. Even my mum is blowing out teeth. Promise all, deliver brown air from backside like pfffffff....

Not even loud trump like PPRRAAAARRPPPP!!!

Woe. Sadface. Like this :(

New Order map page on site too small. Have to come get you? Not fair. Wasting my fingers.

I nap while mining, dream of gank. Wakeytime ship still alive. Rageshutdown comp at wallsocket.

Someday my prince will come. Yeah, right. May as well wish for shower of gold from heavens.

But no. No golden shower, no New Order.

You saying it No don't make it so, Flyboy.

You came in to flame leave in shame like Albert B.

Shark, I hear a histol pot? I see no ships. Bot waving, bot drowning. Super Miner Invulnerable for sure. Got no shares, got no allies, got no gleet. Just me and the youtube Russians. Only splat in alt-tab, none for me in Eve.

So what?

I'm thinking a combination of any or all of the following
drunk, troll, goon, russian, testie, google translate.

'You are also missing a couple of commas' is correct. Your sentence wasn't.

Irony.

What?! Russians LOL

Not quite sure what you said there, but it sounded badass.

You're the guy who tried to gank my untanked buzzard on a gate and failed. How does that happen?

So responding to this thread at all is probably a Very Bad Idea, but this topic (at least the topic the thread started with) has been on my mind for a while, so I figured that I might as well go ahead and ask my questions. Trolls will flame me. Some people might offer useful advice. Life will go on.



I am also a highsec miner. I've only been playing EvE for a couple of months now, but its not my first MMO by a long shot. I was an endgame FFXI player for many years, so I am very familiar with not only a grindy style of play, but also with the frustration that some people have with bot/CGF farmers. In FFXI, these groups would dominate NM spawns and other limited resources making it impossible for endgame players to legitimately acquire the items they needed, and forced them to pay the farmers instead. I don't really see how miners in EvE are similar (there are more than enough 'roids to go around, and 'roids don't spawn once per 72 hours and drop endgame gear), but the hatred gankers have for miners (botting or otherwise) needs no justification. Even if they just do it because they like to bring a little **** into someone else's day, its all part of the game, no?

I have not joined a player corp yet, but that's not to say that I won't. Ever since leaving FFXI, I have not had the time to really dedicate to a group of people where I end up raiding for 3-5 hours a night (6-12 on weekends), six days a week. I really do like the idea of being part of something bigger, and doing stuff that only a large group of good players can do, but I just don't have the time anymore to be playing any game that much (or even a small fraction of that much).

This brings me to mining. Originally, when I decided to give EvE a try, I was going to be an explorer. Sounded like fun, but after running all of the tutorial missions and trying to make anything out of it in the non-tutorial world, I discovered that its wasn't really much fun. I didn't really have the money or skills for a ship that could survive lowsec (let alone nullsec), and my few attempts to wander in that direction (where I thought that exploring might be more fun) were met with immediate gate kills and podding of your's truly. I needed money and time for training, at least to try some of the plans I wanted to pursue. So I took my venture out and started mining.

Mining worked well for me. I could pick it up and put it down quickly and with no set schedule. If I had only an hour in the evening to play because of work, I could just go out and mine a little bit. I was pretty ignorant about all aspects of EvE, so I spent much of that time reading about the game on various wikis and watching YT tutorials. I became pretty interested in the economy and the industrial side of the game; I was spending more time putting together my own spreadsheets, writing tools to pull data from various public sites, etc. Basically, I found the part of the game which interested me. The best part was that I could do it on my own, when I had the time, and that I didn't have to do only that. Mining itself is not really all that exciting, but being able to geek out about the other aspects of the economy at the same time was entertaining. I'm certain that it would bore the **** out of most people; to each their own.

Then came my first ganking (we always remember our first, don't we?). I had graduated to a retriever (where I currently am as well) , was branching out a tiny bit in the economy (trying out PI, some trading, some mfr) and ended up dead and podded (Sophia Soprano, FWIW) before I knew what was happening (much like when I would try to cross into lowsec/nullsec). Long story short, I was out about $35mil of HW, pretty confused and pretty pissed. I had thought that criminals could not even enter highsec, and had no idea why they would even bother to do so. What was the motive? After all, its not like they are going to kill me and haul my ore away to sell? How much money could they make if concord was going to kill them each time they did it?

Ah, how much I have learned. I keep my combat drones out all of the time, I keep my UI clear and set to show me just other players, I move my ass when I see anything other than another miner near me, I recognize the killers in my system and am extra cautious when they are on, etc. I always have my client visible on a second monitor while I work on other stuff. I've also learned some of the reasons that people do it. Seems like a bit of RPing, and a bit of general frat boy chest-beating, but w/e. Mining is not for them just like ganking is not for me.

Recently, I lost my second ship. I did make a tactical error. I saw a low-sec player flying a cat with a flag on come into my belt. I packed up my **** and left, immediately. Just as I did, they warped out as well. I figured that they saw me respond and moved on; this was my mistake. I went back to pick up where I left off, and when I looked away for a min or so; I got attacked. Only consolation was that my drones managed to kill my attacker as well (their **** was not as tight as Sophia's was).

So, here I am again. I don't PvP, I'm not really interested. I would not mind being in a player corp as long as they were OK with me not being on and raiding all that much. It might be fun to help be part of the industrial wing of a big corp, and occasionally go on a mining "raid" with them. I'm not a botter and never will be, but I don't want to be part of the kill'em'all pirate scene either.

What should I do?
1) Just be more aware and work on paranoia?
2) Go to higher-sec? (0.9-1.0 vs 0.5-0.6)
3) Tank up and go for a Skiff when the time comes?
4) Try to find a corp where I could be a mostly solo miner? (Do such things even exist?)
5) Quit the game.

Trolls, bait and flame away. /wave at Loyalanon, I see you hunting in my systems all the time.