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Miner Bumping, Ganking and the activities of James 315 and the New Order of Highsec.

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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#21 - 2013-05-27 02:04:04 UTC
Peit Dowkol wrote:

I am a highsec miner. This is my main source of income in the EvE game. As a miner I make profits and during these activities I incur expenses. This is business at its most basic. I believe that there are a huge percentage of EvE pilots who are able to constantly increase their profit margins by progression in skills, equipment and knowledge. I’d like to think that I’m one of them.

I have never (as yet) been killed and/or podded by members of this Order. I have been ‘bumped’ on odd occasions (if that’s what getting out of harm’s way means). With this in mind, I’d like to give a little bit of advice to my fellow miners.

1. Above all else remember that EvE is a game. Never, ever expect to be treated fairly. I am constantly amazed at the anger and abuse that is heaped on James 315 and his/her associates (we must remember that in- game characters may be operated by different sex players) by other pilots that have been dealt with by the Order (and others that have not) as they forget this most basic tenet.

2. Glean intelligence. Regularly check the killboards for your local mining area for recent activity. Learn who your local ganker/bumpers are. Put them in your contact watch lists. It is up to you if you wish to widely make this information known. I would recommend not, since you do not wish to antagonize these pilots as they go about their business as it is hard enough for them as it is. When they are online, you take an obvious risk. Find out if they are online at regular periods and if so, mine when they are asleep. No, don’t mine when you’re asleep as it can have a deliberating in game effect. This brings me to my next point.

3. Go and do something else. Surely you do more than mining? No? Then you deserved to be ganked. Now may be the time to explore, mission, buy, sell, communicate. Can’t think of anything? Well, get off-line and do some gardening then.

4. Unfortunately, my local mining colleagues are an un-communicative bunch at best. I don’t know if this is a trend. I hope not. If James 315 can organize what seems to me, to be an impressive business attracting investor funds and notoriety, then surely a few miners couldn’t put their heads together to figure out a few ways of at least making life a little more difficult for the activities of this Order? I do not mine afk and I like to increase my mining output by the simple expedient of fleeting and to this end I have concentrated part of my skills to give myself and fellow miners boosts. Since my corporation currently consists of me and my combat missioning buddy we don’t have much chance to fleet mine. I often ask my local fellow miners if they’d like to fleet. It’s a friendly gesture, since we both make more ISK and I’ve always paid the communication fee for new contacts. Generally I’m met with suspicion, stony silence or a few lame excuses. Sure, I understand that my fellow miner may not understand English, or that they may only be online a little while longer ….but Jeez…no wonder we’re a hunted bunch.

5. If you really must mine because maybe you are a little crazy after all, then dust off that old mining frigate and create another pilot that really couldn’t care less if he got his head blown off, go to where the big boys are mining and maybe you’ll see what an exploding Hulk looks like from the gallery.

6. “As a miner I make profits and during these activities I incur expenses”. Now where have I heard that before? If you wish to mine and make great wads of ISK whilst The New Order is operating in your area then you could pay James 315 his ‘indulgence’ fee of 10 million ISK per annum. Let’s put this in perspective. If you mine in a barge or exhumer with T2 crystals and good skills, you’d have to be earning around that in an hour at the very least. This means that one hour of your mining life per year is dedicated to support Mr James 315 and his associates. I guess the jury is out on that one, and I hope that he hasn’t read down this far and decided to up the ante.

7. When you communicate with The New Order put your tongue firmly in your cheek, do not put your foot in your mouth, never be armed to the teeth, be civil and learn how to use a spellchecker or you’ll end up providing amusing entertainment as Mr Spark2Universe no doubt has.

8. You may have your own opinion on the activities of the New Order and the sheer gall of Mr James 315, but he seems an intelligent, articulate and dedicated sort of a guy wanting to make a profit in this world of New Eden. After all, don’t we all? And I may yet pay him his indulgence.



Posting in an obvious propaganda thread created by an obvious alt.

Whats next? Goons doing propaganda posts on alts about how they were recruitment scammed ... oh wait too late...
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2013-05-28 18:45:45 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:

obvious propaganda thread



Since when is good advice propaganda?

Propaganda for what?

Put some lotion on your butt and move along.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Mitsushige Shingen
Viriette Industrial Combined Arms Militia
#23 - 2013-07-05 23:14:25 UTC
Glory to the New Order!

All those that deliberately hold back individuals from achieving true happiness shall be purged.

Individuals that brainwash our brothers and sisters into believing mining for all eternity and then mining some more, because they've brainwashed them into believing that it is the route to happiness, will not be tolerated! It is unacceptable.

James 315 is doing a grand service. Unfortunately many of our brothers and sisters are so wrapped up in these insane delusions perpetrated by the hate-infused "Carebears", they refuse to open their eyes and embrace enlightenment.

All in due time though, The New Order wasn't built in a day.

-Mitsushige Shingen New Order Agent Enlightening souls one Capsuleer at a time in order to help create the benevolent society we all deserve.  

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#24 - 2013-07-05 23:42:36 UTC
Slutvana Khorkina wrote:
Quote:
4. Unfortunately, my local mining colleagues are an un-communicative bunch at best. I don’t know if this is a trend. I hope not.


They are un-communicative because they are AFK. They come back every 20 minutes to empty, then return (heaven help me) to the exact same spot, press F1, then go back to playing Minecraft or doing their laundry. The really good ones press F1 and 20 mackinaws all start mining. It.. sickens me. Thank you for bringing this up. I haven't ganked a miner in days. I will fix that today.

I have literally bookmarked one miners habitual landing spot. I've only nailed him once, but I have watched him hit that spot repeatedly whilst I was pursuing other barges. Fortunately for him, he *does* seem to be aware of my intentions, but unfortunately, he hasn't changed his habits. That will cost him. Pirate


Also: Posting in a stealth New Order alt thread.
(Not that this is a bad thing - the OP was full of good advice which will be (largely) ignored)
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2013-07-06 00:42:59 UTC
Some good stuff there. Unfortuantely, you have wasted your key strokes since, as you already discovered, most of your brethren are not paying attention and think EVE is some sort of "press button, receive ISK" game. I predict you will become frustrated being part of such a community of AFKers and roll a ganking alt at some point. Cool

I would also add:

--- Go to another system where there is no enforcement going on ATM. It doesn't take that long.

--- Tank your boat! If there are two retrievers in a belt and one's tanked and one's just a pinata, guess which one we're hitting.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

minerbumping.com

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#26 - 2013-07-06 01:02:18 UTC
Soylent Jade wrote:
Some good stuff there. Unfortuantely, you have wasted your key strokes since, as you already discovered, most of your brethren are not paying attention and think EVE is some sort of "press button, receive ISK" game. I predict you will become frustrated being part of such a community of AFKers and roll a ganking alt at some point. Cool

She speaks truth. It happened to me. Blink

Quote:
I would also add:

--- Go to another system where there is no enforcement going on ATM. It doesn't take that long.

--- Tank your boat! If there are two retrievers in a belt and one's tanked and one's just a pinata, guess which one we're hitting.

What she said. ^
Pirate
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#27 - 2013-07-06 07:48:33 UTC
I stopped reading at, "I am a highsec miner."

Hope I didn't miss anything.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#28 - 2013-07-09 01:03:00 UTC
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#29 - 2013-07-09 05:35:08 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Sasha Rama
Doomheim
#30 - 2013-07-09 22:37:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Rama
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.


No, they don't. They kill nothing but untanked inexperienced miners. Their kill board is packed full of the worst fits they could find and then talked up to be a great accomplishment.

James and his loving children Kill, extort, and threaten miners....Then Call, as if to make fun of the fact, himself the savior of highsec, returning dignity to miners, and directing them towards truely honorable mining.

Trolls aren't welcome anywhere.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#31 - 2013-07-09 23:14:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Sasha Rama wrote:

No, they don't. They kill nothing but untanked inexperienced miners. Their kill board is packed full of the worst fits they could find and then talked up to be a great accomplishment.
Look again, a sizeable proportion of those inexperienced miners have been playing for 2 years or more, and they still can't fit a ship for toffee. It's not like CCP didn't recently give mining vessels a substantial boost in both EHP and cargo, and still they cry for more.

Quote:
James and his loving children Kill, extort, and threaten miners....Then Call, as if to make fun of the fact, himself the savior of highsec, returning dignity to miners, and directing them towards truely honorable mining.
Killing, extortion and threats are valid strategies in a world where the strong prosper and the weak get trodden on, the only difference between many modern day corporations and Eve corporations is the killing, and depending on how well connected your business is you can get away with that as well.

Quote:
Trolls aren't welcome anywhere.
You'd best leave then


I'll be honest here, I have a highsec miner alt myself, unlike the NOs victims I don't fly shitfit mining vessels, I don't tab out and watch youtube, faptube or movies while I mine. I accept and understand that somebody else can and will ruin my day if they want to, I try and make it as difficult for them as possible to do so by fitting for tank over yield, inefficient yes, cheaper in the long run definitely, as I've never had to replace a mining vessel. What I don't do is cry on the forums and sperg in local about how unfair it is that this can happen.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#32 - 2013-07-10 10:19:14 UTC
Sasha Rama wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.


No, they don't. They kill nothing but untanked inexperienced miners. Their kill board is packed full of the worst fits they could find and then talked up to be a great accomplishment.

James and his loving children Kill, extort, and threaten miners....Then Call, as if to make fun of the fact, himself the savior of highsec, returning dignity to miners, and directing them towards truely honorable mining.

Trolls aren't welcome anywhere.


Well the only way for the untanked, inexperienced miners to get experience (and learn the value of a tank) is via some anti-matter rounds.

No matter how you look at it, we are doing a great service for the miners of highsec.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#33 - 2013-07-10 17:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Sasha Rama wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.


No, they don't. They kill nothing but untanked inexperienced miners. Their kill board is packed full of the worst fits they could find and then talked up to be a great accomplishment.

James and his loving children Kill, extort, and threaten miners....Then Call, as if to make fun of the fact, himself the savior of highsec, returning dignity to miners, and directing them towards truely honorable mining.

Trolls aren't welcome anywhere.


Well the only way for the untanked, inexperienced miners to get experience (and learn the value of a tank) is via some anti-matter rounds.

No matter how you look at it, we are doing a great service for the miners of highsec.

I, personally, have seen the learning curve in action. A lol-fit Venture, parked at a 'roid whilst using mining drones, burns. Half an hour later, the same miner is back, in a shiny new Venture, combat drones out, and orbiting close and fast; warps out fast on my arrival on-grid.

Huzzah!
Another n00bie learns a bit about survival.
Cool
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#34 - 2013-07-11 03:48:56 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.


On a player to player killboard comparison, i would be better solo then there top 5 put together.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#35 - 2013-07-11 06:03:23 UTC
The New Order provides a valuable service. That's why I have placed the weight of my honour and my wallet behind it.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#36 - 2013-07-11 11:05:19 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
The New Order provides a valuable service. That's why I have placed the weight of my honour and my wallet behind it.


Yep. The euthaniziation of non-compliant miners is a dirty job, but someone has to do it.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#37 - 2013-07-11 13:00:06 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.


On a player to player killboard comparison, i would be better solo then there top 5 put together.

That'll be because 90% of your kills are in lowsec, where you don't have to avoid Concord, the Faction Navy or wait out GCCs in station. Highsec is a different kettle of fish, go and try it.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#38 - 2013-07-11 17:21:51 UTC
loyalanon wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.


On a player to player killboard comparison, i would be better solo then there top 5 put together.

you're a special case, and we all know it. Your skills and kills don't invalidate Jonah's point. Just because *you* are inordinately good, doesn't mean that others are bad.
loyalanon
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#39 - 2013-07-15 04:39:36 UTC
why havent any new order guys made the list?

http://hulkageddon.goonswarm.com/

412nv Yaken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-07-15 04:57:17 UTC  |  Edited by: 412nv Yaken
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
loyalanon wrote:
i just lol at new order.

they are full of rookies, terrible gankers

Their killboard says otherwise, so does the amount of hate mail they receive.


On a player to player killboard comparison, i would be better solo then there top 5 put together.

That'll be because 90% of your kills are in lowsec, where you don't have to avoid Concord, the Faction Navy or wait out GCCs in station. Highsec is a different kettle of fish, go and try it.



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