Jita Park Speakers Corner

I especially liked this part:

One year have passed and CCP learned nothing from previous experience

Also I wonder If CSM members were aware about in-game login screen removal? How they reacted? Why no one asked for community feedback about this feature (just like with jukebox, and possibly in future with calculator\notepad)?

The OP's question was aimed at enquiring about the CSM's interaction with CCP regarding the launcher. I would take this to encompass both technical and non-technical aspects around the launcher, and whether the CSM and CCP adequately communicated to each other - CCP in terms of release plans, and CSM in terms of ensuring that user testing feedback and bugs were adequately addressed.

In terms of giving a straight answer, your reply started off well. The CSM and CCP communicated minimally on this. Fine, that's a direct and succinct answer.

You then took it upon yourself to needlessly editorialize on why the OP asked the question in the first place, and negatively so. This is where you went off the rails. I know you're new to the role, but it should be no mystery to you that successful CSM members of the past owe much of their success to good communication skills. Since Bible verses appear to resonate with you, look up James 1:20.

He's a politician of sorts, dismissive and rude is in the job description. That said, the current CSM has been in for a matter of weeks, as already stated elsewhere in the thread it was CSM 7 that was informed about the launcher change, not CSM 8.

While I agree that nostalgia should be irrelevant and the creation of a new launcher is generally a positive thing,
I do hope though that the CSM does point out to CCP that a bit more QA and fixing of bugs already mentioned in test server feedback can't hurt the next time they want to roll out a new feature.

Many are already able to use their launchers again, me and a lot of others are still fighting bugs. This could have all been prevented, not through CCP talking to the CSM, but rather CCP acting on the bug reports that were made a week ago already.

Personally I'm indifferent to the login screen, however the multibox issue is a pain. Yes, there is a workaround but CCP were clearly well aware of this problem prior to release and they should have made an announcement first before releasing the patch. It's not like it would have cost them anything

This was a shambles with poor QA, it was almost as if CCP went deliberately out of their way to **** off their customer base.

Perhaps the CSM might like to remind CCP that a little communication in advance goes a long way to generate good will with their customers.

Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.

Now this is a great example of a good suggestion.

Tell you what CSM folks - put this suggestion to CCP and I'll shut up about the launcher, because this is pretty much all I'm looking for.

Not all change is progress, eh? Sure, there are all too many in EVE that complain about any change just because it is change - but isn't there danger in thinking that all player commentary on something particular is all whinging? Personally, when the new launcher had...difficulties, I figured "all right, well, CCP will have this sorted soon enough" and went to go do something else. Sure enough they did. However, that doesn't make it a good idea. Wouldn't possible increased functionality best be balanced with a bit of presentation pizazz coupled with a bit of tradition continuity? IIRC that Business for Dummies book I glanced through at the bookshop said something like: "Too much Engineering Dept. = cool capabilities but grey, lifeless presentation that interests few, too much Marketing Dept. = something that looks good but doesn't really do anything. For some reason I feel like looking up the Icelandic words for "balance, please"...

This whole thread is hilarious. Want the old login screen? Just launch eve via exefile instead of the launcher. Mad about anything else? Please go review patch day rules...