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Christopher Caldaris
Caldaris Enterprises LLC
#41 - 2013-05-23 01:44:35 UTC
Goodbye old login screen, now I can get into the actual gameplay much faster, instead of being forced to look at a splash screen while the hamster spins up the wheel.
None ofthe Above
#42 - 2013-05-23 01:52:12 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
Malcanis wrote:
It's not an issue that anyone spent any amount of time on AFAIK.

Because really, this smacks of "I hate change". It's just a launcher, dambit. Its function is to launch the game, the end. If it was a plain text console, you'd still be complaining about "nostalgia".


How many times do we need to repeat history to learn from it?

Feedback and warnings ignored as "I hate change": Unified Inventory. By both CSM and CCP (A big miss for CSM7 btw)

Deleting functionality and not understanding sentimental value: Ship-spinning.

Being rude as a way of communicating to playerbase: Well many examples but I'll pick the Mittani for this one. Please don't make me hand you a wizard hat.

The only end-game content in EVE Online is the crap that makes you rage quit.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#43 - 2013-05-23 02:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Dearest OP.

If you want to see the login screen that much, launch your client using the exefile.exe, dont use the launcher.

However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching especially in light of the upcoming addition of dual training, so to give up a login screen to start down that road, is a little price to pay.


What a bunch of crap.

Thought (and said) Malcanis degraded from his own self but I see he's not alone.


Stop the groupthink.


Fear of change? Easier character switching?


Yes we have fear of garbage changes. Incarna like changes. Did YOU love the Incarna change being showed down your throat?

The log in screen is ICONIC of EvE.

It's like you added an huge dildo on Michelangelo's masterpiece and then told everyone that's change is good (sounds a bit like GREED IS GOOD, doesn't it?)


As for the easier character switching, I play EvE on 5 different computers in 2 places, I REALLY want to see how easy it'll be to start a cloud stored settings client into 5 different PCs each with its own graphics preferences, screen resolution and other.

CCP are treading with some dangerous stuff here, we large multi-accounters have no issue with the subs money but if they make logging in a PITA then they can be sure they are going to lose over it.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#44 - 2013-05-23 02:18:44 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Dearest OP.

If you want to see the login screen that much, launch your client using the exefile.exe, dont use the launcher.

However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching especially in light of the upcoming addition of dual training, so to give up a login screen to start down that road, is a little price to pay.


What a bunch of crap.

Thought (and said) Malcanis degraded from his own self but I see he's not alone.


Stop the groupthink.


Fear of change? Easier character switching?


Yes we have fear of garbage changes. Incarna like changes. Did YOU love the Incarna change being showed down your throat?

The log in screen is ICONIC of EvE.

It's like you added an huge dildo on Michelangelo's masterpiece and then told everyone that's change is good (sounds a bit like GREED IS GOOD, doesn't it?)


As for the easier character switching, I play EvE on 5 different computers in 2 places, I REALLY want to see how easy it'll be to start a cloud stored settings client into 5 different PCs each with its own graphics preferences, screen resolution and other.

CCP are treading with some dangerous stuff here, we large multi-accounters have no issue with the subs money but if they make logging in a PITA then they can be sure they are going to lose over it.


You know what is far more ICONIC of EvE than the log in screen?

People making complete asses out of themselves over trivial changes.

You just managed to pitch a hissy fit over a proposed minor change to the log in process.

REALLY!??!?

If you can't realize how incredibly silly that makes you look... wow.

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Sarmatiko
#45 - 2013-05-23 02:22:49 UTC
mmorpg lol wrote:
This whole thread is hilarious. Want the old login screen? Just launch eve via exefile instead of the launcher.

Actually posts from people who don't have any idea about incoming changes are more hilarious.
"Just launch eve via exefile" will go.
It stays here only as temporary failsafe solution in case something goes terribly wrong (like yesterday).
There will be no new music, no new scene and you wont be able to run from evefile directly.

Now I even doubt that CCP plans to spend few hours for lazy-ass change of skybox and logo for Odyssey release - we might have old Retribution scene because no one cares anymore.
CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#46 - 2013-05-23 05:27:14 UTC
Cleaned out some off-topic/ranting posts and the conversation it spawned.

Let's keep it civil and on-topic guys.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls

CCP Dolan
C C P
C C P Alliance
#47 - 2013-05-23 05:29:04 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team.

CCP Dolan | Community Representative

Twitter: @CCPDolan

Gooby pls

Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
The Network.
#48 - 2013-05-23 05:47:39 UTC
CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy

Alek the Kidnapper, Hero of the CSM

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-05-23 05:52:21 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
mmorpg lol wrote:
This whole thread is hilarious. Want the old login screen? Just launch eve via exefile instead of the launcher.

Actually posts from people who don't have any idea about incoming changes are more hilarious.
"Just launch eve via exefile" will go.
It stays here only as temporary failsafe solution in case something goes terribly wrong (like yesterday).
There will be no new music, no new scene and you wont be able to run from evefile directly.

Now I even doubt that CCP plans to spend few hours for lazy-ass change of skybox and logo for Odyssey release - we might have old Retribution scene because no one cares anymore.

And many more things WRT launcher and login will change before that happens.
You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it.
CCP is fond of their art, it's asinine to think they'd throw it away for whatever reason.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#50 - 2013-05-23 06:26:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


In the same way I don't call you "stupid" for wanting NeX/WiS nonsense expanded with "walk at a snail's pace into a room and /dance while your GTX Titan overheats", the fact that some like the animated login screen doesn't make them "stupid." Oh, and it actually adds to the spaceship game by showcasing the actual game, rather than being total fluff like "Captains' Walk-In Closets". Let's face it, any newbie's first interaction with the game will be logging in via a launcher, being catapulted into character select, designing a space barbie and then standing in some bedroom with a crappy Ibis in the distance - and that part will likely be turned off within the first week.

The login screen is a player's first exposure to the actual game. EVE isn't the only MMO with a "rich" login screen for a reason.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#51 - 2013-05-23 06:30:41 UTC
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
CSM8: Welcome to Forum Hell. Enjoy


Receive thy new Possessor: One who brings
A mind not to be chang'd by Place or Time.
The mind is its own place, and in it self
Can make a Heav'n of Hell, a Hell of Heav'n.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#52 - 2013-05-23 06:31:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Mangala Solaris wrote:
Dearest OP.

If you want to see the login screen that much, launch your client using the exefile.exe, dont use the launcher.

However this launcher - once its issues are smoothed out - can be seen as a first step to easier character switching especially in light of the upcoming addition of dual training, so to give up a login screen to start down that road, is a little price to pay.


What a bunch of crap.

Thought (and said) Malcanis degraded from his own self but I see he's not alone.


Stop the groupthink.


Fear of change? Easier character switching?


Yes we have fear of garbage changes. Incarna like changes. Did YOU love the Incarna change being showed down your throat?

The log in screen is ICONIC of EvE.

It's like you added an huge dildo on Michelangelo's masterpiece and then told everyone that's change is good (sounds a bit like GREED IS GOOD, doesn't it?)


As for the easier character switching, I play EvE on 5 different computers in 2 places, I REALLY want to see how easy it'll be to start a cloud stored settings client into 5 different PCs each with its own graphics preferences, screen resolution and other.

CCP are treading with some dangerous stuff here, we large multi-accounters have no issue with the subs money but if they make logging in a PITA then they can be sure they are going to lose over it.


Heh. Do you know what's the only thing I remind fondly of Incarna?

Yes, you guessed it.

0:40 = Play. This. NAO.
Inna Cristiana
GucciGang
#53 - 2013-05-23 06:53:27 UTC
CCP Dolan wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team.



"IDEA"?

You mean to say that this wasn't part of your plan after removing the login screen?

WTF IS GOING ON HERE?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2013-05-23 06:56:56 UTC
Inna Cristiana wrote:
CCP Dolan wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team.



"IDEA"?

You mean to say that this wasn't part of your plan after removing the login screen?

WTF IS GOING ON HERE?

What's going on is that a CCP Community Representative may not have been informed of the appropriate team's future plans in a certain area.
You wouldn't ask a 3D artist what Fozzie's plans for balancing T3s are, would you?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#55 - 2013-05-23 06:57:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
CCP Dolan wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Earlier today it occured to me that, now that we're being unceremoniously thrown to the old character selection screen, this screen could be replaced with something that kept the spirit of the old login screen, with themed animations and music for each expansion. This way the first interactable screen in the game still would be a "cool down" one and the game would retain its soul, just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


I really like this idea, I will bring it up with the appropriate team.


Thank you. Obviously we won't tell you how to do your job (too oftenLol), but keeping the iconic "welcome" screen should be in the best interest of everyone artsy. Such screens are a psychological need after the unavoidable backlash caused by launcher behavior (every launcher behavior, not just EVE's) as it's not funny nor mood-setting to press button, wait wait wait for update/connection stuff, press button again and eventually get bacon. A "welcome" screen allows the player to shift back into "game mode".

As EVE goes, the animated login screen was liked to the point that leaking it from Sisi and rating/commenting it was one of the player-made hype routines before each expansion. May not be the 20th nor the 100th most important thing to do in EVE, but it still is important, and in terms of NPE, it's worth its weight in gold. I *STILL* remember the first time I opened the client and was welcomed by the image of a planet being bombarded from space. It was like "woah, where i am getting into?".

And one doesn't get into the MOMA by greeting folks with some white bars on a black screen and then a blatant "formality" screen... P
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#56 - 2013-05-23 07:01:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


In the same way I don't call you "stupid" for wanting NeX/WiS nonsense expanded with "walk at a snail's pace into a room and /dance while your GTX Titan overheats", the fact that some like the animated login screen doesn't make them "stupid." Oh, and it actually adds to the spaceship game by showcasing the actual game, rather than being total fluff like "Captains' Walk-In Closets". Let's face it, any newbie's first interaction with the game will be logging in via a launcher, being catapulted into character select, designing a space barbie and then standing in some bedroom with a crappy Ibis in the distance - and that part will likely be turned off within the first week.

The login screen is a player's first exposure to the actual game. EVE isn't the only MMO with a "rich" login screen for a reason.


Hold fire, I'm friendly! Just read how the CSM reacted to the OP, may you? They thought -think?- it was/is stupid to worry about the login screen rather than the launcher issues.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#57 - 2013-05-23 07:13:54 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

You know what is far more ICONIC of EvE than the log in screen?

People making complete asses out of themselves over trivial changes.

You just managed to pitch a hissy fit over a proposed minor change to the log in process.

REALLY!??!?

If you can't realize how incredibly silly that makes you look... wow.


You mean just the last of a 2 years long number of feature-reducing / dumbing down changes that are making EvE more and more less EvE?

You mean removing the brand off a product strongly characterized by its brand?

Yes, it's definitely minor. Roll
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#58 - 2013-05-23 07:15:42 UTC
Andski wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
just for the stupid who happened to like the animated login screen.


In the same way I don't call you "stupid" for wanting NeX/WiS nonsense expanded with "walk at a snail's pace into a room and /dance while your GTX Titan overheats", the fact that some like the animated login screen doesn't make them "stupid." Oh, and it actually adds to the spaceship game by showcasing the actual game, rather than being total fluff like "Captains' Walk-In Closets". Let's face it, any newbie's first interaction with the game will be logging in via a launcher, being catapulted into character select, designing a space barbie and then standing in some bedroom with a crappy Ibis in the distance - and that part will likely be turned off within the first week.

The login screen is a player's first exposure to the actual game. EVE isn't the only MMO with a "rich" login screen for a reason.


I had to like an Andski post.

What EvE has come down to. P
Sarmatiko
#59 - 2013-05-23 07:40:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarmatiko
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it.

So tell me, when would be the right "time to panic"? When tomorrow suddenly you won't be able to load evefile.exe and launcher will remain same?
Was is right time to "panic" when CCP silently removed Jukebox once and for all, because "it consumed too many developer resources"?
Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's CCP Explorer 's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone?

But you can keep advocating every single change with happy smile ofc.
MainDrain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2013-05-23 07:58:41 UTC
Sarmatiko wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
You can't really panic about having that stuff removed when you have no idea what's going to replace it.

So tell me, when would be the right "time to panic"? When tomorrow suddenly you won't be able to load evefile.exe and launcher will remain same?
Was is right time to "panic" when CCP silently removed Jukebox once and for all, because "it consumed too many developer resources"?
Maybe now it's right time to panic, looking at CCP Navigator's post where he expresses dislike to calculator\notepad existence or should we wait while those tools will be gone?

But you can keep advocating every single change with happy smile ofc.


I wouldnt say they silently removed the Jukebox, IIRC there was a devblog from the audio team explaining the changes weeks in advance. If people didnt read it well enough to understand what was happening is another thing altogether.

I didnt actually realise we had a new launcher, ive always launched both clients from a pinned item on my taskbar which goes direct to the exe file.